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Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:07 am to Topwater Trout
quote:As an officer of the court, Hillar has a duty to protect the system and to avoid the appearance of impropriety.quote:You are probably right.
Hillar just doesn't want to deal with this is the reason for pushing to GJ, imo
The DA has a duty to maintain public faith in the judicial process.
Even if a nolle pros is a proper option, there are public policy reasons to take the matter to a grand jury.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:08 am to Mayhawman
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Ungelsby said the DA has nothing but plaintiff witness testimony (4), vs 25 defense,
This will play out in the judicial system where witnesses are weighed and not counted. We will have to wait and see the results- fair or not. I certainly do not know what happened at Shady's. It's a mess for both JJs, the others involved and LSU. Sad that it also seems to divide part of the Tiger Nation.
No one "wins" regardless of result.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:09 am to CptBengal
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That's why he does things like referencing a radio program as credible information of what evidence and testimony the DA has access to. I realize "wanting" something to happen, but misrepresenting facts and obfuscating reality to attempt to try the case on the rant is JustPathetic.
Coming from you this shite is
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:15 am to CptBengal
quote:You didn't listen to the radio program, did you.
That's why he does things like referencing a radio program as credible information of what evidence and testimony the DA has access to. I realize "wanting" something to happen, but misrepresenting facts and obfuscating reality to attempt to try the case on the rant is JustPathetic.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:15 am to booky
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booky
considering you can't make a decent sentence on this thread. I'm surprised you aren't on walfare or some other government aid.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:17 am to beauxroux
quote:An interesting "what if"- JL and Mo were in the same situation. I expect the tune would change for many.
Sad that it also seems to divide part of the Tiger Nation.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:19 am to booky
Dude doesn't even deny being a racist. Now that's funny. I may be a racist prick, but here's a food stamp joke.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:21 am to Jester
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Dude doesn't even deny being a racist. Now that's funny. I may be a racist prick, but here's a food stamp joke.
the dude is completely pathetic.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:21 am to JBeam
This case has been badly mishandled from the beginning. The BR Police Dept should be ashamed of itself. JJ was arrested for a felony based on the statements of two witnesses who have severe credibility problems. Any experienced attorney knows that the DA could not win this case. I am sure Unglesby has the goods on the "victim". This reminds me a little of the Strauss Kahn rape case up here. But here the DA did the right thing and dismissed the case. The DA in Baton Rouge has no business presenting this to a Grand Jury if he knows its bullshite. And since when is battery investigated like this and presented to a grand jury. 99.9% of all battery charges are filed via bills of information. Grand juries are reserved for the big stuff. When all of this is dropped the personnel at the BR police dept responsible for this debacle should be severely disciplined. This relatively minor incident became a national story mostly because the police got big heads. DNA tests for a battery case....what a joke...
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:23 am to bruintiger
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bruintiger
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:24 am to just me
quote:Are the issues you envision as bearing on his credibility admissible for that purpose?
The "witnesses" include Lowery. You'll be hard pressed to find a single witness in this whole affair who has less credibility.
quote:You mean the intent to cause bodily injuries? Kicking someone in the face seems like at least an arguable basis, if proven.
The DA has to prove serious bodily injuries beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:26 am to bruintiger
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The BR Police Dept should be ashamed of itself. JJ was arrested for a felony based on the statements of two witnesses who have severe credibility problems
Do we really know that this was the only basis for the arrest?
I don't know what happened that night, who did or didn't do what, and would rather not assume anything and let this process play itself out.
While I think the entire situation got overblown, I can't imagine BRPD making as big a spectacle as they did, if there was potential for them to look like asshats on the back end. Could they be this stupid?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:26 am to bruintiger
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DNA tests for a battery case....what a joke...
Seriously. What a complete unnecessary allocation of resources.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:27 am to USMCTiger03
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Are the issues you envision as bearing on his credibility admissible for that purpose?
Most of them are.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:28 am to USMCTiger03
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You mean the intent to cause bodily injuries? Kicking someone in the face seems like at least an arguable basis, if proven.
That is the problem. If they could prove he kicked someone in the face, they wouldn't have gone to GJ.
quote:
Are the issues you envision as bearing on his credibility admissible for that purpose?
His admitting giving false statements to police are definitely relevant and I can't see a judge throwing them out as inadmissible.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:29 am to bruintiger
quote:+1
This case has been badly mishandled from the beginning. The BR Police Dept should be ashamed of itself. JJ was arrested for a felony based on the statements of two witnesses who have severe credibility problems. Any experienced attorney knows that the DA could not win this case. I am sure Unglesby has the goods on the "victim". This reminds me a little of the Strauss Kahn rape case up here. But here the DA did the right thing and dismissed the case. The DA in Baton Rouge has no business presenting this to a Grand Jury if he knows its bullshite. And since when is battery investigated like this and presented to a grand jury. 99.9% of all battery charges are filed via bills of information. Grand juries are reserved for the big stuff. When all of this is dropped the personnel at the BR police dept responsible for this debacle should be severely disciplined. This relatively minor incident became a national story mostly because the police got big heads. DNA tests for a battery case....what a joke...
However, I'm not sure why this is still being discussed on this board. We have some fans who are hoping beyond hope that Jefferson is never heard from again. They will not let it go.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:29 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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I can't imagine BRPD making as big a spectacle as they did, if there was potential for them to look like asshats on the back end. Could they be this stupid?
We're talking about BRPD here. Maybe they used this to distract from another cover-up they were actively working. I trust BRPD about as much as I trust the CIA, honestly.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:29 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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Could they be this stupid?
Deal with Cops often?
They main issue is that they arrested Jefferson and Johns on the probable cause they had the morning of the fight.
They spent a week conducting an investigation in front the media only to issue arrest warrants based on the initial report that was drafted seven days prior.
And, in those seven days, they failed to properly investigate the case choosing to conduct DNA test for battery case instead of interviewing potential witnesses.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:30 am to Antonio Moss
I have never been impressed by the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the BR police. You better believe they can be this stupid. They are people like anyone else and can easily lose their heads as they get caught up in things. Believe me, they are going to come out of this looking real real bad.
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