re: BH "still just a true sophomore QB"

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What's sad Chilge is that no one will believe that because it doesn't paint lsu's offensive coaching in a bad light.

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Well if our offensive philosophy is so god damned complicated that it takes players for frickin ever to learn it....then they oughta (A) simplify the plan or (B) recruit players that can digest and implement it faster....instead of marching merrily along wondering why the hell players are taking so long to develop/be effective on the field.
Most of our good players dont stay past their junior year anyway, which doesnt give them much time to play in the system once they fully learn it.

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How much does running a '3 yards and a cloud of dust' pro style offense really prepare a QB for the more modern day NFL offenses?

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You obviously have no clue as to what is the major difference between a pro style & "spread" offense do you? You are putting entirely too much emphasis on formations & run pass/ratio.

Those really don't have much to do with the difference of the two actually. There are passing spread offenses (air raid) & run heavy spread offenses like you see from Malzahn & Meyer. You can also have a predominantly run heavy pro style like LSU & Alabama or you can a pass heavy pro style like we saw with Jameis Winston at FSU.

The biggest difference in between the two is the responsibility of the skill players (QB, RBs, Wrs) & the center. In spread offense, every aspect is predetermined & any audibles whether it's a route adjustment, change from run to pass or vice versa, or change in protection all come from the sideline. In a pro style, it's the responsibility of those skill players to read their keys to make the adjustments themselves.

People complaining about why stick with a pro style offense can't see that it allows the offensive players to make last second adjustments which doesn't allow the defense to adjustment themselves. It is harder to learn for the parties involved but it creates a bigger benefit from a presnap adjustment standpoint when all the players have the same understanding.

The spread is simplified & easier to digest but if a defense can adjust & audible after the second call comes from the sideline then a defense can create problems. That's the whole reason the majority of spread offenses go uptempo to negate the ability for a defense to audible.

With Harris taking the reigns now in his sophomore year, this is going to set up the beginning of a succession process where incoming QBs like this year with McMillan & Dow the road with Franks won't have to worry about starting their first year on campus. They'll be able to absorb the system with the pressure of having to start so that when their time comes, they already have the knowledge they need to run the offense effectively.

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....instead of marching merrily along wondering why the hell players are taking so long to develop/be effective on the field.

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Cam got here in 2013. I believe the jury is still our on him cause I don't know how much credit we can give him for Mett since Mett started to show his talented ability in last 1/3 of 2012. I would argue Mett was pretty freaking "effective" starting with the 2012 Bama game. I would also argue that our 2011 QB play was "effective"...for the large part of 2011. 2014 QB play was not "effective" but for a few games, but then we had a massive loss of skill talented skill players and replaced them with lots of experienced talent.

While we all can name a few QBs who played early and well in the SEC, the rule remains that SEC QBs normally take 2-3 yrs of being in the program before becoming "effective". imo

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the rule remains that SEC QBs normally take 2-3 yrs of being in the program before becoming "effective".

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nonsense. Just off the top of my head with no research, these QBs were very effective their first year starting:

Blake Sims (first year starter, and he had a brand new "system" to learn under a new OC)
Nick Marshall (first year at Auburn - went to NC game)
Bo Wallace (first year at Ole Miss, did very well)
a few year back, Aaron Murray did fantastic starting his first year at UGA

I'm sure there are others. It's just plainly clear that QBs don't need 2-3 years become effective. It's simply an excuse by our apologists, and it's getting very tiresome.

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Bo Wallace (first year at Ole Miss, did very well)

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Bo Wallace was not good his first year. Only 4 games without a pick and those were against UTEP, Tulane, Auburn (who was absolutely terrible that year), and Vandy. 22:17 TD to Int Ratio.

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Bo Wallace was not good his first year.

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True, his INTs were high, but the rest of those stats are very good.

235-368
63.9%
2994 yds
8.1 ypa
22 TD
17 INT
142.7 rating

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I will take this

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Anybody would. But throw in those 17 Int's and it doesn't look so good. IF BH threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's, people would complain that he isn't a great passer. Hell, if BH threw 20+ TD's and less than 5 picks, we would still complain because that's the whole purpose of this site.

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Didn't Sims become a starter in 2014 in his 3rd yr. within the Bama program??? You are making my point when you bring up Sims.

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Although Sims was at Bama for 3 years, he had an entirely new system under a brand new OC who was hired just before his senior year when he started.

So yes, he was an older guy, but with effectively zero experience and under a brand new system. He's actually a very good example for my argument.

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Look, if you are not willing to note the significant difference between the experience that comes with being a 1st time starter as a Sr. in the SEC and being a 1st time starter as a So., I don't know what to tell you.

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Kiffin's system was vastly different from what they had been running though. His status as a Sr. certainly didn't hurt his ability to adapt to said system.

Salmon after a couple of disasters you would be saying that a real coach would of knew better . It is easy to sit at home and pretend to know something !