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re: Been meaning to post this a while regarding Ed O,
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:25 am to Goldrush25
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:25 am to Goldrush25
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The smartest choice is the one that can win the most games, finances be damned. Letting buyouts dictate your decision making process is short sighted. You win games, win championships, money follows.
Do you believe Orgeron was the best choice to win the most games, yes or no?
I don't think it's that simple, because you "assume" that a coach we'd have to pay heavily for would come in and win.
That's just as big a gamble, if not more so because now you have way more millions on the line not to mention another buyout if it doesn't work out.
I personally felt Herman was a huge risk not worth taking. I also feel JF is incredibly overrated and too costly. After that, its a guessing games as to who the next diamond in the rough really is.
I think all things considered, and based on what I saw out of ED O last year, I think Ed O had as good a chance as anyone to win. It was a gamble either way.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:32 am to cra_cra
Well, let's just say that I am skeptical...as hell.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:38 am to LSUStar
Just having Aranda on the staff and consistent top-20 recruiting classes should get us 7 wins a year. Heck, Miles got us 9 wins a year. Can O get us championships particularly if is not an elite tactician on either side of the ball? I hope he can, but I think it is really unlikely.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:09 am to cra_cra
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I don't think it's that simple, because you "assume" that a coach we'd have to pay heavily for would come in and win
I wouldn't assume anything other than we have the best coach that money can buy. Usually the better coaches cost more than the not so good coaches, unless you're going with a name that has proven success at a smaller level. I think we could live with the results if our administration put their best foot forward on the hiring front. They did not in this case.
You have to commit to having a great program, not do what's most expedient/convenient at the time.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:10 am to cra_cra
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To me, ED O's tenure will come down to one single thing. Can he change the culture of the QB position. Can he recruit QB's and recruit at the level of the top programs. If he does this, and based on how well I think our team is being coached, he is going to win several championships.
keeping yourself surrounded by quality Coaches will be paramount...ask DiNardo and Miles....
there is zero wiggle room for not having the best we can afford.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:24 pm to ibleedprplngld
He does what every HC does. Oversees recruiting and coaches their position group among other things. Plenty of coaches aren’t involved in game plans other than the basics. Brett Beliema isn’t coaching Dbs and lbers. He coaches oline. Point is O does more than recruit and motivate. Plenty of HC’s rum things similar to O. All O does is do what he’s seen with coaches like Pete Carroll Jimmy Johnson etc. this isn’t some new way of doing things just because he said he would let his coordinators do their job etc etc.. he just publicly said it when he was truly to sell himself to the fans and administration
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:29 pm to Goldrush25
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You have to commit to having a great program, not do what's most expedient/convenient at the time.
but here we are.
I don't think CEO has done poorly for his first full year....overall.
Still no excuse for Troy.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:30 pm to TheHat7
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Plenty of coaches aren’t involved in game plans other than the basics.
Sure, plenty of position coaches. If you mean head coaches, I find that hard to believe.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:32 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Sure, plenty of position coaches. If you mean head coaches, I find that hard to believe.
So O is the antithesis of Miles?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:50 pm to cra_cra
quote:Agree, Les Miles called us "the perimeter", as if we had no ownership or no voice in the team or nothing at stake whether the team won or lost. We were merely watchers in his opinion and it was "his team". He said this many times and it's one of the things that angered me the most about him. He always talked about how he felt, never concerned about the fans.
I just think he is smarter than people want to give him credit for. Just about every single issue we point out as fans, he sees it also and addresses it immediately. Quite different than LM
With Ed O, you get the feeling that he looks at Tiger Nation more as a family, with the fans having a vested interest in the outcome.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:20 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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With Ed O, you get the feeling that he looks at Tiger Nation more as a family, with the fans having a vested interest in the outcome.
It's like the week after Troy never happened.
"I earned the job whether you like it or not." He said that.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:43 pm to cra_cra
quote:And you think this is some virtue?
Just about every single issue we point out as fans, he sees it also and addresses it immediately. Quite different than LM.
The QB position would be a revolving door for backups.
He doesn't let the fanbase do his coaching anyway, or Brennan/Narcisse would be starting.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:52 pm to ibleedprplngld
You are a bigoted shitbag liar!!
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:34 am to ibleedprplngld
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Man, I’ve gotten past my O hate. I’m cool with him being the HC and all, but let’s not pretend the man is heavily involved in the game plan. He’s a clock watching, recruiting cheerleader. That’s it. If you think he does anything but listens to Aranda and Canada’s game plans, your mental. He even admitted the one time he did get involved and the disaster it was.
couldnt have said it better myself..
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:36 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Agree, Les Miles called us "the perimeter", as if we had no ownership or no voice in the team or nothing at stake whether the team won or lost. We were merely watchers in his opinion and it was "his team". He said this many times and it's one of the things that angered me the most about him. He always talked about how he felt, never concerned about the fans.
With Ed O, you get the feeling that he looks at Tiger Nation more as a family, with the fans having a vested interest in the outcome.
have thought the same thing many times..
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:52 am to BRgetthenet
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We are already better off than we’d have ever been with Miles.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:57 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Ed Orgeron: 13-6 . . . . . Dimbo Fisher: 10-8 . . . . . . . . Tom Herman: 10-9
Also, having this as a sig quote is just going to hurt any argument you try to make.
Comparing these situations is impossible. We were sold on continuity, not a rebuild.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:59 am to TigerFan55555
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have thought the same thing many times..
Do you think coaches like Saban give a damn about what the fans think? Have you seen a Nick Saban press conference?
Why would you expect your coach to listen to the fans? This seems like a really strange thing to get upset about.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:00 am to BeeFense5
Personally, the thought of any coach listening to OUR fans is fricking horrifying
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:02 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Personally, the thought of any coach listening to OUR fans is fricking horrifying
Absolutely true.
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