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re: Basis for changing QB's...What makes sense?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:26 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:26 pm to TheSexecutioner
NavyTiger = John Jefferson
I can only hope that JJ makes it back in time for the Sugar Bowl. It would be a perfect opportunity for him to be sent in at the end of the game to kneel the ball.
I can only hope that JJ makes it back in time for the Sugar Bowl. It would be a perfect opportunity for him to be sent in at the end of the game to kneel the ball.
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Comparing a QB at the beginning of a season to the end of the season is silly. QBs get better over the season.
Comparing a QB at the beginning of a season and the end of a season is kind of silly
But we're not comparing Jefferson at the beginning of 2010 to the end of 2010. Nor are we comparing Lee at the beginning of 2010 to the end of 2010.
Neither Lee nor Jefferson are the same QB that they were when they started 2010.
As to whether Jefferson improved over the season, well, that's kinda the point. He was not the same QB at the end of the season that he was at the beginning of the season.
It's not like QBs start from scratch each year. They add their accumulated knowledge and experience, and they build on it. That's why coaches generally prefer upperclasmen over freshmen and sophomores.
We are trying to compare how the QBs would perform right now. The best way to do that is to compare their most recent games.
As to what kind of QB Lee will be at the end of the year, I would assume he will be much better. I would assume Jefferson would be much better at the end of the year if her were playing.
But the comparison isn't Lee at the end of 2011 to Jefferson right now. It's Lee as close to now as possible compared to Jefferson as close to now as possible.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:27 pm to Navytiger74
It's obvious the coaches believed JJ was best for the team since he has been the starter for a while now. I don't believe in the just roll with it philosphy at all. Many kids are asked to step in and contribute when a starter is out for whatever reason. Regardless of how the backup plays in contributing to the win, I would go with the guy who I felt the last few years was best for the job. Of course if JJ would come back soon, you slowly work him back in the mix and get him in game shape. So this may take a week or so. Game plans change week to miss so JJ is not missing that much from not being there except conditioning and throwing to receivers. The longer this lingers though, LSU will have to make a big decision if JJ gets is allowed to return too late in the season.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:30 pm to just me
quote:
Comparing a QB at the beginning of a season to the end of the season is silly. QBs get better over the season.
Holy shitballs.
You just proved my point for me.
Compare lee's stats from these first three games to Jeffersons first three games in 2010.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:32 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
It's obvious the coaches believed JJ was best for the team since he has been the starter for a while now. I don't believe in the just roll with it philosphy at all. Many kids are asked to step in and contribute when a starter is out for whatever reason. Regardless of how the backup plays in contributing to the win, I would go with the guy who I felt the last few years was best for the job. Of course if JJ would come back soon, you slowly work him back in the mix and get him in game shape. So this may take a week or so. Game plans change week to miss so JJ is not missing that much from not being there except conditioning and throwing to receivers. The longer this lingers though, LSU will have to make a big decision if JJ gets is allowed to return too late in the season.
So you bench the QB who is performing better than the qb from last year?
In games?
Practice =\= real games against BCS teams
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:33 pm to TheDoc
quote:You really can't be this dumb. I know you pretend to ignore arguments. And I know you have a penchant for being intentionally obtuse, but you cannot be this dumb.
Holy shitballs.
You just proved my point for me.
Compare lee's stats from these first three games to Jeffersons first three games in 2010.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:34 pm to TheDoc
quote:
QBs get better over the season.
Faulty assumption.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:34 pm to TheDoc
quote:
So you bench the QB who is performing better than the qb from last year?
Have you seen JJ play this year? How do you know he is not better?
So I guess you don't Shep on the field then since we are doing well without him?
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:38 pm to TheDoc
quote:
So you bench the QB who is performing better than the qb from last year?
No. You don't bench Lee.
However, the difference between this year and last year has much more to do with playcalling and less to do with personnel.
For support, see Danny O'Brien. Poor kid is getting Crowtoned as we speak.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:38 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
Have you seen JJ play this year? How do you know he is not better?
how do you not know he is worse?
known quantity in JL winning games >>>>> unknown JJ who hasn't practiced in weeks/months.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:41 pm to CptBengal
quote:
known quantity in JL winning games >>>>> unknown JJ who hasn't practiced in weeks/months.
so you mean
Beckham and others undefeated>>>>>>>>>>unknown of Shep
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:41 pm to just me
quote:
You really can't be this dumb. I know you pretend to ignore arguments. And I know you have a penchant for being intentionally obtuse, but you cannot be this dumb.
deflection!
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:42 pm to CptBengal
quote:
known quantity in JL winning games >>>>> unknown JJ who hasn't practiced in weeks/months.
This
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:43 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
For support, see Danny O'Brien. Poor kid is getting Crowtoned as we speak.
Agreed. Poor kid.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:44 pm to CptBengal
I believe that JJ's physical ability has not been the sticking point for his success at LSU. His confidence and decision making have always seemed to be his Achilles heel. I have a hard time believing that he returns from this suspension mentally prepared to compete. I wish him the best going forward, but I do not believe he makes this team better.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:44 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
So I guess you don't Shep on the field then since we are doing well without him?
Two things:
1. Shep has been practicing with the team. JJ has not.
2. I'd let shep earn his way back. So far ODB has out performed him in every way from sheps 2010 season.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:45 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
so you mean
I meant what I said.
quote:
Beckham and others undefeated>>>>>>>>>>unknown of Shep
Shep has been practicing with the team during his suspension. JJ has not.
Do the math.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:46 pm to goldengorilla
If lee missed 6 weeks of practice and games, there's no way I'd expect him to be ready immediately.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:49 pm to TheDoc
quote:
If lee missed 6 weeks of practice and games, there's no way I'd expect him to be ready immediately.
Right. If Jefferson returns in the next weeks (pure speculation here) they would have a small package of plays for him mostly consisting of read options for short yardage situations for the first few weeks. Then, depending on Lee's play, that package would either remain the same or begin to expand.
Regardless, the offense won't look much different. The offense we are running now is the exact same offense we ran in the Cotton Bowl, minus the read option.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:50 pm to therocketscientist
Since no one wants to agree on which games to compare, and the basic question most folks want answered is 'who moves the team better?' Why don't we just look at per game averages? (knowing full well that 2010 will get extra credit for Lee's contributions).
Scoring
2010 - 29.7
2011 - 36.0
1st downs:
2010 - 17.5
2011 - 20.7
Rushing:
2010 - 185.7
2011 - 166.0
Passing:
2010 - 155.6
2011 - 178.7
Offensive TDs:
2010 - 3.0
2011 - 4.0
Total yards:
2010 - 341.3
2011 - 344.7
Interceptions:
2010 - .77
2011 - .33
Time of possession:
2010 - 30:10
2011 - 33:56
3rd down conversions
2010 - 38%
2011 - 48%
Sacks/ yards lost
2010 - 2.62/ 20.3
2011 - 2.33/ 13.3
Red zone efficiency/ TDs:
2010 - 80%/ 53%
2011 - 100%/ 80%
I think by any measure, it's pretty clear which QB moves the team better.
Scoring
2010 - 29.7
2011 - 36.0
1st downs:
2010 - 17.5
2011 - 20.7
Rushing:
2010 - 185.7
2011 - 166.0
Passing:
2010 - 155.6
2011 - 178.7
Offensive TDs:
2010 - 3.0
2011 - 4.0
Total yards:
2010 - 341.3
2011 - 344.7
Interceptions:
2010 - .77
2011 - .33
Time of possession:
2010 - 30:10
2011 - 33:56
3rd down conversions
2010 - 38%
2011 - 48%
Sacks/ yards lost
2010 - 2.62/ 20.3
2011 - 2.33/ 13.3
Red zone efficiency/ TDs:
2010 - 80%/ 53%
2011 - 100%/ 80%
I think by any measure, it's pretty clear which QB moves the team better.
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