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re: And yet we can't get any of our QBs near this level...
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:29 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:29 pm to OBUDan
Off subject a little bit, I was also impressed with wood and case mccoy. If wood was the consensus #1 qb in the state of texas, and ZLee the #2, I have high hopes for what he'll bring to the tigers.
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Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:31 pm to pmoney1245
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And yet we can't get any of our QBs near this level...
That's because we have been focusing too much on recruiting. I think it is time that we invest in abducting. I mean white panel van snatching the quarterback off the street abducting. If you are honest with yourself you will have to admit that this is the only way.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:34 pm to OBUDan
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The fact that you don't find any of that relevant solidifies why your uneducated opinion on the matter is completely subjective rubbish. "but but... JJ stinks at calling the plays! Flynn knew how to do this and that!". Until someone in the huddle testifies to this you have no basis for belief.
booooom!
Posted on 4/5/10 at 4:47 pm to OBUDan
sorry doc but that certianly wasnt boom worthy. 
What you dont seem to understand is that MF made plays when it counted.
If a qb thorws for 200 yrds a 1 td, converts on say 30% of third downs, and is sacked 4-5 times costing his team yardage and momentum is that better than a guy that thorws for 140yrds 1 td an int and converted on say 70% of thirds downs and dont put his team in bad shape when it comes to down and distance?
FWIW JL had as good or better stats than tommy hodson his freshman year... how do you want to spin that?
Id bet you everything I have that I watched the 07 and 09 LSU football seasons/teams as close as you or anyone else on this board.. and if you wanna sit here and try to convince me that b/c JJ's stats were similar to MF's that that somehow makes JJ look bettr,... go sell that shite somewhere else pal.
Cause Im not buying it... as well as most other logical LSU fans.
What you dont seem to understand is that MF made plays when it counted.
If a qb thorws for 200 yrds a 1 td, converts on say 30% of third downs, and is sacked 4-5 times costing his team yardage and momentum is that better than a guy that thorws for 140yrds 1 td an int and converted on say 70% of thirds downs and dont put his team in bad shape when it comes to down and distance?
FWIW JL had as good or better stats than tommy hodson his freshman year... how do you want to spin that?
Id bet you everything I have that I watched the 07 and 09 LSU football seasons/teams as close as you or anyone else on this board.. and if you wanna sit here and try to convince me that b/c JJ's stats were similar to MF's that that somehow makes JJ look bettr,... go sell that shite somewhere else pal.
Cause Im not buying it... as well as most other logical LSU fans.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:03 pm to TIGRLEE
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nd if you wanna sit here and try to convince me that b/c JJ's stats were similar to MF's that that somehow makes JJ look bettr,... go sell that shite somewhere else pal.
so you're actually admitting that they were similar?
Shocking
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:06 pm to TIGRLEE
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What you dont seem to understand is that MF made plays when it counted.
like when he threw the int in triple ot to give Unranked Arkansas the game in 07?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:17 pm to pmoney1245
(You can't make chicken salad out of chicken $hit)
All chicken's eat there shite, So when you put chicken in your salad there will be some shite in your salad!
All chicken's eat there shite, So when you put chicken in your salad there will be some shite in your salad!
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:24 pm to TIGRLEE
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What you dont seem to understand is that MF made plays when it counted.
As a 5th year senior, for one.
Secondly, he made a big throw in the Alabama game, but other than that I can't think of any instance of him "making plays when it counted." Actually, I can think of quite a few instances where he didn't make plays "when it counted" (Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina).
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Id bet you everything I have that I watched the 07 and 09 LSU football seasons/teams as close as you or anyone else on this board.. and if you wanna sit here and try to convince me that b/c JJ's stats were similar to MF's that that somehow makes JJ look bettr,... go sell that shite somewhere else pal.
So where's the rub.
-JJ last season was tremendously more accurate than Flynn as a 5th year senior.
-The theory that "Flynn tried more longer passes" isn't accurate because JJ's YPA is higher than Flynn's as well.
-Flynn's rushing attack and offensive line were significantly better and JJ STILL put up similar, if not better passing stats.
So tell me, why is it that Flynn is SO much better than JJ? Prove it to me.
To further aid my case, Flynn played against the worst UF team (particularly defensively) under Meyer. JJ played against a UF team that went undefeated in the regular season. Flynn also played against the worst Bama team under Saban, JJ against the best. JJ also played a better Ole Miss team.
Auburn teams were about a draw.
JJ played a better MSU team.
Flynn played V-Tech, which was better than any OOC JJ played.
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:25 pm to TheDoc
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like when he threw the int in triple ot to give Unranked Arkansas the game in
you really dont want to start comparing bad plays do you ?
You might just be the stupidest frick on this board,,, sad part about it is you invite it, by constantly keeping threads going.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:30 pm to OBUDan
Jefferson is favored by his statistics
Flynn is favored by his body language and attitude
It just always seems to me that JJ takes his mistakes WAAAY too personally and it affects his play for the rest of the game.
Flynn is favored by his body language and attitude
It just always seems to me that JJ takes his mistakes WAAAY too personally and it affects his play for the rest of the game.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:30 pm to OBUDan
Dude listen..if you want to say MF's and JJ's numbers were similar that's fine.. i have no problem with that, bc its true.
However you incinuate that b/c their numbers are simialar that they could have been interchangeable....
Actually some dumbass posted this a month or so ago that JJ could have led LSU in 2007 to the nc as flynn did.
YOu people do realize there are teams out there that have tremendous rushing games but stillcant throw the fricking football?
Trying to boost JJ by comparing the guy to a qb that he had similar numbers with, on a team that had diff players is fricking stupid, please quit doing it.
Let JJ earn his own keep.
However you incinuate that b/c their numbers are simialar that they could have been interchangeable....
Actually some dumbass posted this a month or so ago that JJ could have led LSU in 2007 to the nc as flynn did.
YOu people do realize there are teams out there that have tremendous rushing games but stillcant throw the fricking football?
Trying to boost JJ by comparing the guy to a qb that he had similar numbers with, on a team that had diff players is fricking stupid, please quit doing it.
Let JJ earn his own keep.
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:36 pm to pmoney1245
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Go get an elite player at the QB position
What is an "elite" QB? How can you be certain of his development? Anybody remember JD Booty? He certainly didn't set the world on fire. What about All-World Brock Berlin? Wasn't Jimmy Clausen considered "elite"? How did that turn out for Notre Dame?
You clearly have no clue.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:36 pm to TIGRLEE
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HOwever you incinuate that b/c their numbers are simialar that they could have been interchangeable....
there's no statistical reason to believe he wouldn't.
he completes passes at a better rate, completes more longer passes on average and turns it over less...
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YOu people do realize there are teams out there that have tremendous rushing games but stillcant throw the fricking football?
We don't have the luxury (yet) of knowing this about JJ.
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Let JJ earn his own keep.
I'm not the one unwilling to do so. You are.
You are the one ready to suggest he sucks and can't be the QB at LSU even though there's mounting statistical evidence to suggest otherwise.
My case is this:
JJ produced reasonable stats last season for a team with a nonexistant rushing offense, particularly one that couldn't pick up 3rd and shorts (which is something LSU has never struggled with under Miles). This was also done with the worst offensive line in the Miles' tenure.
People who claim next year will be just like last year are just as uneducated and unthoughtful as people who claim JJ would have won the NC in 07.
Different teams, different personnel etc. The '09 team has no bearing on the '10 team, but people can't grasp that.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:38 pm to TIGRLEE
Wonder how the 09 squad would have fared with 3000+ yards rushing?
And you of all people shouldnt be calling anyone stupid, much less a "stupid frick"
And you of all people shouldnt be calling anyone stupid, much less a "stupid frick"
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:45 pm to TheDoc
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Wonder how the 09 squad would have fared with 3000+ yards rushing?
No shite.
I don't think people understand this.
'07 ground game was TWICE as productive as the '09. We're talking 1,500 more yards on the ground. And there's no way in hell you can rationally argue that all falls on JJ. Are there instances where he may should have checked into a better play? Maybe. But since he spent the entire season getting checks from the sideline, I doubt it. The fact is our offensive line was just not good last year and didn't get the push up front required to have a functional rushing attack. As a result we'd end up in 3rd and short situations and not pick up 1st downs whereas in years past we would. Inevitably, that killed drives (repeatedly), which killed offensive production.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:46 pm to OBUDan
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there's no statistical reason to believe he wouldn't.
he completes passes at a better rate, completes more longer passes on average and turns it over less
this is the mindst diff between someone who has played ball and someone who hasnt.
FYI>.... There is much more to being a successfull qb than just "stats", truth be told thats about all JJ has going for him at this point.
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We don't have the luxury (yet) of knowing this about JJ.
i was just stating a fact.
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I'm not the one unwilling to do so. You are.
You are the one ready to suggest he sucks and can't be the QB at LSU even though there's mounting statistical evidence to suggest otherwise.
For now I just dont see it in the guy... i dont decide who starts the coaches do.. so as of today he has every opportunity to make all the tigerlees in the world believers.
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Different teams, different personnel etc. The '09 team has no bearing on the '10 team, but people can't grasp that.
true,, but unfortuantley for the sake of your argument/case the qb positon is the most important one on the field.
Fact of the matter is JJ has a long ways to go.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:51 pm to TIGRLEE
wait a second here... did this thread turn into a who's better JJ or Flynn argument? I mean come the frick on people 
Flynn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JJ and it really isn't even close
Flynn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JJ and it really isn't even close
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:52 pm to TheDoc
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Wonder how the 09 squad would have fared with 3000+ yards rushing?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:52 pm to TheDoc
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I'd trade both of lsu's qbs for Gilbert
NO shite.
He looked amazing against Bama in the NC game.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 5:53 pm to TruLsu
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TruLsu
their numbers are very similar though.
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