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re: ...and then there were two (QBs)!!

Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:54 am to
Posted by justustm2
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Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:17 am to
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For the life of me, I can not comprehend the people that say that Harris is going to come in and win the job.


I don't think anyone has stated this unequivocally. But he's got a chance.

Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:21 am to
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Why? I have no idea. The LAST thing I want to see is a true freshman starting at QB. If a true freshman is starting at QB, people just THINK Jennings was mediocre in a bowl game


And you know this how? I don't care who starts as long as the dude can move us down the field. You don't know anymore about BHs progression than we do.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:25 am to
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I don't care who starts as long as the dude can move us down the field. You don't know anymore about BHs progression than we do.

For the sake of argument, when is the last time a true freshman was a successful starter in the SEC?
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:25 am to
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They've made a judgement off of a mediocre game in January vs. a B1G team, yet have no basis of what Harris can do vs. any sort of college competition.


keep in mind the same group prob wanted Jennings to start over Mett. Some just believe in the magic QB pixie dust theory for winning football games.
Posted by Vanilla Ice
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:40 am to
Not sure but Manziel was a redshirt freshman starter.

Was Johnny an EE?
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:42 am to
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For the sake of argument, when is the last time a true freshman was a successful starter in the SEC?


Wasn't Manziel a RS Freshman when he started at TAM?
I'll admit I'm biased towards BH. But not just because he's from NLA. I'm a Parkway grad and have watched this kid play every game that he's started. Ppl are definitely underestimating this guy.
I'm not saying he's as far along as AJ. But he ain't far behind and is an extremely quick study. He has the ability to dissect defenses that have shut him down in the fist quarter of a game only to come back and pick them apart later in the game.....granted these are HS defenses...but still it was an impressive display of figuring out ways to win. He also has a knack for developing extremely close chemistry with his receivers and raising the level of play of those around him....FWIW

If he doesn't start, I'm good with it. Just want the BEST player to start...not necessarily the most experienced.

Posted by TeamLSU
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:30 pm to
for everyone clamoring for Harris, just a question, is it because you THINK Harris is that much better than Jennings? Because what I see in Jennings is a poise quarterback, one that showed poised on that 99 yard drive. IMO Jennings showed poise, great decision making and patience. So just wondering what else does he needs to show?
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:45 pm to
He did look great against Arky...but regressed slightly in a very vanilla game plan against Iowa in the bowl game.
I'd like to see a little more zip on AJs passes. Not sold on his arm strength just yet. But I do believe the kid has the tools to be successful.

Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:56 pm to
I'm not sure how any one can judge AJ going by his one and only start being a nationally televised bowl game.
Like most have said just start the QB that gives you the best chance.
Posted by TeamLSU
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:58 pm to
That's my point, everyone is clamoring for Harris because of arm strength, to me that is his ONLY advantage over Jennings. But if arm strength was THAT big of a factor in college then JFF would have never seen the field because I'm sure TAMU had a more strong armed quarterback on the roster than JFF.

Matter of fact, TAMU fans saw NOTHING of JFF before his breakout season to justify his start. So I say before we start clamoring for the new blood, let's sit back and enjoy the competition. In the end, I think Jennings wins out.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:06 pm to
I agree AJs body of work is small. But nevertheless, it wasn't overly impressive..other than "the drive." I know their bringing the kid along slow. As a I said earlier, I want the best player on the field against UW in the season opener.
I just think people are being short-sighted if they don't believe that BH can gain weight, learn the play book, and improve his accuracy, and ultimately make a competition out of it with AJ for the job.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:58 pm to
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Somewhat. Many people thought Rettig was better of the two. Jennings hyped picked up a lot of steam last spring when he jumped to the number 2 spot


Jennings hype from me started when I saw his highlight tape. Incredible pocket presence, accuracy, touch, quick release, mobile but pass first. Great decision maker and pinpoint accuracy on the run. That's similar to what everyone said after seeing that. He doesn't have the cannon, but he doesn't have a noodle either.

Now it was different with Rettig. Mixed reviews on his video, siting his WRs made him look better than he was. That he played under shotgun in a heavy spread pass attack. That he was an int machine (those were from looking up his stats).

Then Jennings came in the Sping and got high praise from Cam. He preceded to beat out both Bolden and Rivers. He then showed up Mett early in the spring game against the 1ons and 2s with backup WRs (who all redshirted) before Mett started lighting it up against the 3rd stringers and walk ons with OBJr and Landry. After becoming QB sneaker through spots during the season, he came in dry and had to win the game backed up at the 99 and 754/876th yard line against Arkansas in the season finale. Showing that same poise and QB presence and touch, and accuracy, and mobility, that he displayed on his HS tape and spring game, he went down the field with relative ease. Finishing off with a 49 yard beautiful strike that won the game for us. He then had a bad bowl game against a top 10 defense in the nation (6# in pass defense), in wet conditions starting his first game with any meanigful passes, and people are going coco bananas that he's going to suck for us similar to 2010 bad.

For reference, Shane Morris, a true freshman, started for Michigan in their bowl game (no prior meaningful snaps) after Gardner broke his foot. In perfect conditions he went 24/38 196 yards no touchdowns, 1 int. The difference was they couldn't run so he had to throw more. He also had a 1200 yard receiver and playmaker TE/WR Funchess. Nobody expects him to do bad next year if he starts, nobody is clamoring for Speight (who's a 2014 recruit that might be better than Morris) to get the nod. They look at the bowl game, and see that he didn't totally screw it up, as a positive. Jennings did the same thing almost to the letter except a 40 yard run, and fans are hollering for Harris, and saying we'll be 2010 offense with Jennings when this is the same guy who did no wrong until Iowa. There is no frickin patience for a lot of LSU fans. Let Cam's process and magic work. I expect him to be one of the better QBS next year, then bring us a NC in 2015.

In Cam I trust, in Jennings I trust!
Posted by Datbayoubengal
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:11 pm to
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He always said RIVERS looked good but never gave him a chance.


I agree that he should have gave Rivers a chance, in 2012. In 2013, Mett had it on lock and Jennings beat Rivers out meaning that both Miles AND Cam, saw that Jennings was better.

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Rettig should be given a shot or allowed to transfer now.


Rettig is getting a shot. We'll know realistically if he can win the battle or not in the spring game considering there is no major drop in talent between the WRs and the secondary is talented 2 deep. BTW, I expect Rettig to be better, but I still give the edge to Jennings. I see them saying the QB battle will still be on going through fall only to push Jennings not to slack up, which seems like something he doesn't do after seeing an interview with him this morning.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 2:38 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:16 pm to
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agree that he should have gave Rivers a chance, in 2012


Wut
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:17 pm to
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I agree that he should have gave Rivers a chance, in 2012.

So, you don't think Rivers was given a chance?
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:18 pm to
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He then showed up Mett early in the spring game against the 1ons and 2s with backup WRs (who all redshirted) before Mett started lighting it up against the 3rd stringers and walk ons with OBJr and Landry.


^^ evidence that someone is overly invested in a particular player
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:20 pm to
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So, you don't think Rivers was given a chance?


in the world of the Rant, "given a chance" means giving the player an opportunity to start even though he hasn't earned it on the practice field.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:26 pm to
I'm sure he was but please don't act like CLM isn't loyal to a fault. He's done it with other players in the past.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:28 pm to
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I'm sure he was but please don't act like CLM isn't loyal to a fault. He's done it with other players in the past.

Name someone besides Jefferson.
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