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re: Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:14 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:14 pm to OBUDan
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I think that link should open the vid at the exact play if anyone else wants to offer their opinion of whether or not Michael Ford got his head around, because that's now the nexus of this thread.
LINK
That opens it to the right the time.
And he gets his ahead around after chipping, looks forward, ball is thrown behind, then he looks back again.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 11:16 pm
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Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:14 pm to ZTiger87
That was my take on it.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:15 pm to OBUDan
Ford never looked back at Lee, who clearly needed to dump the ball.
And Boone whiffed at that pass. Hit him in the arms, and chest. Not remotely on the QB.
Same on Clement. The ball bounced off his chest, and then he dove after it trying to snag it on the rebound. With no defender near him.
You're making stuff up
And Boone whiffed at that pass. Hit him in the arms, and chest. Not remotely on the QB.
Same on Clement. The ball bounced off his chest, and then he dove after it trying to snag it on the rebound. With no defender near him.
You're making stuff up
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:16 pm to OBUDan
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Could this be a building block? Possibly. But I'm also of the belief that the hand-holding should stop. He's a 5th-year Senior. What happened 3 seasons ago should be erased from his memory and there's no reason to use that an excuse for his poor play.
Is Lee decent enough for LSU to win a title with? Depends.
This is simply ridiculous coming after an opening night 40-27 victory over the #3 team in the country.
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My personal stance is to hope for the best and expect the worst (exactly how I would feel with Jefferson in there). I have very little optimism that either of those two will give us anything more than what we've seen of them the past 4 years.
And so is this. Lee continues to look better. He seems to have improved both his footwork and his ball placement in terms of being more careful with this throws.
The problems he had in the Oregon game look mostly like just not being in the same rhythm with his receivers. Every QB has different timing and slightly different expectations on routes, and so there is some adjustment that needs to happen.
Maybe Lee will have miserable games later this year and will need to get replaced by Mett. Nobody knows for sure at this point.
But to sit here and talk about how you're sick of "hand-holding" and "expecting the worse" from Lee is crap. He threw a decent game against an extremely good opponent. Our offense looks like it will do fine this year, and I see no reason to worry about how we won't be ready for the SEC schedule.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:23 pm to Housplants
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Maybe you should go back to some films from last season and perform this type of analysis on our QB play.
Not a chance of that happening
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:28 pm to TIsuGGER
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And Boone whiffed at that pass. Hit him in the arms, and chest
Yes... still doesn't mean it was a good throw.
It's possible it was both a bad throw and a bad job by the receiver. Not mutually exclusive.
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You're making stuff up
You caught me!
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:30 pm to TheDoc
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Not a chance of that happening
What would be the point of it?
Look, anyone who think this is a thread about Jordan Jefferson is clearly just inputting their own meaning into it.
It's specifically about Lee's throws from last night. I don't really care to re-watch Jordan Jefferson missing receivers right and left from last year. Yes, we all know. He sucked.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:33 pm to Doc Fenton
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This is simply ridiculous coming after an opening night 40-27 victory over the #3 team in the country.
So you think 10-22 for 98 yards and a TD is enough to win a National Championship? I don't mean that in snark.
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Lee continues to look better.
HIs decision making appears better.
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He seems to have improved both his footwork and his ball placement in terms of being more careful with this throws.
I don't agree.
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He threw a decent game against an extremely good opponent.
That wasn't a good defense. And that wasn't really decent IMO.
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Our offense looks like it will do fine this year, and I see no reason to worry about how we won't be ready for the SEC schedule.
Okay, well agree to disagree.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:33 pm to TheDoc
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Maybe you should go back to some films from last season and perform this type of analysis on our QB play.
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Not a chance of that happening
Yes, I am afraid you are correct.
I would guess that there is not one fan that visits this board that has EVER faced the kind of pressure that Lee faced last night going into that game.
When you consider all of the history and the beating he has taken by LSU fans (many that continue to bring up the pick six thing from 3 years ago), having his 1st start against a team many were picking to win the MNC was a pretty daunting event.
It is pretty easy to criticize and over analyze the performance of someone under pressure when you have never really been under any yourself.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:35 pm to OBUDan
To quote doc Fenton:
Yes,
Some bad throws were made.
And good throws.
And too many drops.
He still looked more composed than JJ did all season.
When lee stinks it up against north western state, we'll talk.
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This is simply ridiculous coming after an opening night 40-27 victory over the #3 team in the country.
Yes,
Some bad throws were made.
And good throws.
And too many drops.
He still looked more composed than JJ did all season.
When lee stinks it up against north western state, we'll talk.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:38 pm to Housplants
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I would guess that there is not one fan that visits this board that has EVER faced the kind of pressure that Lee faced last night going into that game.
When you consider all of the history and the beating he has taken by LSU fans (many that continue to bring up the pick six thing from 3 years ago), having his 1st start against a team many were picking to win the MNC was a pretty daunting event.
It is pretty easy to criticize and over analyze the performance of someone under pressure when you have never really been under any yourself.
This is the type of thing I'm saying when I talk about "hand holding."
We are now not allowed to criticize Lee because "he's been through so much." "You'll never know how tough it's been on him."
Look, adversity happens. Every athlete plays like shite. Aaron Rodgers went to JUCO. Drew Brees got cut. Peyton Manning was called a guy who couldn't win for years.
We shouldn't have to justify a below average performance with caveat after caveat of what said player has "been through." The good ones persevere, the great ones overcome.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:38 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
Nice post. While I appreciate you breaking it down pass by pass, that is inherently difficult to do and I think you are better off looking at the entire body of work for the game. That said, you did some nice work.
I thought he was off and on with his accuracy, but he did a great job of not letting things get out of hand. He rebounded from a few drops and bad passes early in the game to throw the ball much better as the game wore on. After the horrible sack he took, he came back and hit Peterson to continue the drive. He played very well on the drive when we were down 13-9.
I look forward to much more efficient operation against NWST. I think it is reasonable to expect 60-65% completion percentage and I would be content with his improvement. Timing was an issue on a few passes so this week should alleviate some of those problems.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:40 pm to OBUDan
The lack of smooth spiral could contribute to drops.
Only someone who has never played football would say that.......
Only someone who has never played football would say that.......
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:40 pm to slackster
gonna be a great year by Lee 
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:41 pm to TheDoc
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He still looked more composed than JJ did all season.
The fact that you have to use this as a baseline comparison is rather sad.
I don't care about comparing Jarrett Lee to Jordan Jefferson. I care about comparing him to the standards we should have for our QB.
Look, this is about processes, not results. You're choosing to the look at the results (40-27), I'm choosing to look at the processes.
If the processes don't improve, the results won't continue to stick.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:42 pm to munchman
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The lack of smooth spiral could contribute to drops.
Only someone who has never played football would say that.......
Why? Throwing a catch-able ball is a pretty known commodity in QBs...
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:42 pm to TheDoc
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He still looked more composed than JJ did all season.
He looked far less composed than JJ. In fact, he is one of the least composed QBs I've ever seen throwing the ball. The only time he looks composed is when he can quickly throw the ball to his first target. Even then it comes off as rushed.
Lee 08-10:
LINK
Lee vs Oregon:
LINK
Maybe I'm not seeing it, so please do tell me what is different.
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:42 pm to OBUDan
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So you think 10-22 for 98 yards and a TD is enough to win a National Championship? I don't mean that in snark.
While it's not ideal,
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McElroy led the Crimson Tide to the 2010 BCS National Championship Game versus the undefeated Big XII champions Texas Longhorns at the Rose Bowl. He was able to complete 6-of-11 pass attempts for 58 yards while being sacked five times and losing 27 yards.
Obviously I would like to see Lee improve, and even though you have shown that not all the dropped passes were the receivers fault, but damn can't they help their qb out just a little?
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:45 pm to OBUDan
Terry Bradshaw hardly threw a smooth spiral along with other great qbs..........your standard doesn't fly.
The ball hits your hands, you should catch it........The balls that the receivers dropped had nothing to do with tight spirals.
The ball hits your hands, you should catch it........The balls that the receivers dropped had nothing to do with tight spirals.
This post was edited on 9/4/11 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 9/4/11 at 11:45 pm to slackster
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While I appreciate you breaking it down pass by pass, that is inherently difficult to do and I think you are better off looking at the entire body of work for the game. That said, you did some nice work.
And I do agree.
Also, there's a lot more to the game than just how he made his passes (which this thread was supposed to be only about the actual physical action of his passes).
His decision making seemed good (no throws into bad coverage, reading the defense right, going through his progression, checking into the right plays [mostly]).
That type of thing plays just as much of a factor into how well a QB plays.
Let's hope they iron out the timing kinks.
I'm curious to see what happens with JJ. Not because I want him to start, but because I think Lee has a fragile ego, and even the presence of Jefferson could affect him at this point (which I why I believe Miles held out on pulling the suspension because he didn't want Lee to even bother thinking about that heading into Dallas).
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