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re: Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)

Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by junkfunky
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Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:47 pm to
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At no point in this thread did I say anything remotely positive about Jordan Jefferson


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Over-Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)


"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 9/5/11 at 8:55 pm to
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ZTiger87


Is this your first year watching LSU play? Our defense and special teams handed the ball to our offense deep in Arkansas territory several times last year and they couldn't deliver any more than FG's.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:00 pm to
His point is that we are talking about this year, not last year. We are talking about what Jarrett Lee did Saturday, not what Jordan Jefferson did last year.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35074 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:04 pm to
According to some, critiques of one qb is sucking off the other by default. Heaven forbid you wish they both would play better.

FYI: The Rant is powered by the hate of its users. If you aren't hating then are useless.
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Member since Jan 2007
30913 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:05 pm to
And I repeat-did you do a similar analysis of the rock skipping and airballs last year? Or the sackfest the year before? You've been posting on here for a long time and have a very high post count, so if you just couldn't help yourself all of a sudden parsing our QB's every move after having not done this over the past two years of putrid performances from our starting QB, then you expose your agenda. So, what is it? Can you link some of your past analyses so I can see if you went into the same detailed breakdown along with your personal assessment of which passes were acceptable and which ones were not?
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:06 pm to
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FYI: The Rant is powered by the hate of its users. If you aren't hating then are useless.





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According to some, critiques of one qb is sucking off the other by default. Heaven forbid you wish they both would play better.


This is all I want. In my past I've defended Jefferson and even Saturday I mentioned that I do believe he's better than Lee, but as I mentioned earlier in this thread, that has more to do with that I trust Miles decision to start him for 2(would have been 3) straight years.

I don't hate Jarrett Lee; I don't hate JJ. But I'm not going to watch them throw sub 50%, for under 150 yards and a TD and act like it was an achievement. I hold them to higher standards.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:10 pm to
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FYI: The Rant is powered by the hate of its users. If you aren't hating then are useless.


dont hate bro.
Posted by IlikeyouBetty
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2010
1524 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:11 pm to
Lee is an average to below average fricking QB.

JJ is the same, but can run a little.

Look, if our D and special teams plays like they did on Sat. we will win damn near every game. I think most people understand this won't happen. We want a QB, that can win the occasional game almost by himself. I think at a university like LSU, that should be attainable. I want to see what Mett has to offer. I didn't expect to see him the other night, nor did I think he should have played. But aren't some of you curious. I am.

Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:12 pm to
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And I repeat-did you do a similar analysis of the rock skipping and airballs last year? Or the sackfest the year before?


No. But why are you so worried about that?

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then you expose your agenda.


I think the fact that you're so defensive about this all is pretty agenda laden, personally.

quote:

Can you link some of your past analyses so I can see if you went into the same detailed breakdown along with your personal assessment of which passes were acceptable and which ones were not?



After JJ's first year starting, I defended him a lot and said he was going to be very improved last year.

After game 1 last year, I thought he was starting to turn it on, but then he just played pathetically and became indefensible.

I was wrong about Jefferson.

But I'll stick to my guns in that I'm not sure what it says about Jarrett Lee that he lost 3 straight QB battles to Jefferson.

I want him to succeed. I want whatever is best for LSU. The fact that you think otherwise is just you drawing lines in the sand and being defensive about anyone who says anything remotely critical about Lee.


ETA: Here's another player I'm highly skeptical about: Russell Shepard. I had super high hopes for him. He is our no. 2 receiver and he's shown no consistent ability to catch pretty much anything more than 5 yards deep, and even then he still struggles. I HOPE he succeeds, but I don't have a lot of faith he will.

Do I have an agenda against him too?
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 9:15 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:12 pm to
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Look, if our D and special teams plays like they did on Sat. we will win damn near every game. I think most people understand this won't happen. We want a QB, that can win the occasional game almost by himself. I think at a university like LSU, that should be attainable. I want to see what Mett has to offer. I didn't expect to see him the other night, nor did I think he should have played. But aren't some of you curious. I am.



I wanted Mett back in March
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35074 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:13 pm to
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dont hate bro.


Just trying to do my part.
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:19 pm to
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Lee is an average to below average fricking QB


Nice. Jackass.

quote:

We want a QB, that can win the occasional game almost by himself. I think at a university like LSU, that should be attainable


I seem to recall Lee having serious impact of the outcome of a few games last season.


Will there ever be a time when LSU fans aren't freaking debating the QB position? We look like morons. We had the number #1 pick overall (regardless of his NFL career) and while he was at LSU his status as the starter was debated.

Its really pathetic.


Lee is the QB of this team. Lee is capable of doing what the team needs him to do- and that is primarily be a leader, organize the offense, etc.

Get behind the kid you probably booed when he got hurt and enjoy the run this team may make.

Its pathetic there's a fricking 15 page thread analyzing every throw the kid made.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:20 pm to
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We had the number #1 pick overall (regardless of his NFL career) and while he was at LSU his status as the starter was debated.


That was just stupidity...

It's not like there hasn't been plenty of material that is debate worthy for the past 3+ years...
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Member since Jan 2007
30913 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:21 pm to
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The fact that you think otherwise is just you drawing lines in the sand and being defensive about anyone who says anything remotely critical about Lee.


Actually no. I wish he would play up to his potential, which I believe to be high. I never, ever thought JJ had much upside. JL did best Saturday night when Les went to the hurry up, not coincidentally, when he was at his best last year. I think it keeps him from being nervous, overthinking, or whatever makes him better at that faster pace.

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But I'll stick to my guns in that I'm not sure what it says about Jarrett Lee that he lost 3 straight QB battles to Jefferson.


If you think there was a true open competition, especially coming into this season, then I've got this cool bridge down here to sell to you.

Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:21 pm to
I think a ton of posters here need to learn the difference between and opinion and a fricking agenda.

I wish I had a dollar for everytime someone posts that TLEE has bla bla fricking bla agenda.

No I dont... I have an opinion.
If you agree thats how you look at it.. an opinion.
If you dont..then all of a sudden its an agenda.
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:24 pm to
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It's not like there hasn't been plenty of material that is debate worthy for the past 3+ years


I agree with this, but its just counter productive.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:28 pm to
I guess.

For me, QB production is the only thing standing between this team and a National Championship. We're loaded on both sides of the ball, the coaching staff seems to have nice chemistry, and we've already seen new leaders emerge.

I'm excited about this team.
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:31 pm to
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QB production is the only thing standing between this team and a National Championship


No doubt. We'll need production from the position to win several games this season.

But I don't think JJ is coming back and from all accounts, if you believe Miles, Mett isn't ready.

That leaves Lee as our guy. Might as well rally like hell for the kid. He certainly has earned my respect.

And honestly, while I mentioned the context of your original post in my post a few minutes ago, it didn't seem overly critical of Lee. But there are "fans" here that seem to be hoping he fails, a thought process I cannot comprehend.
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 9:33 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:34 pm to
Well, I'm sure I've been overly critical of him before. Some people were responding to my posting history; some just act like anytime you criticize one QB or the other you are are lover of one or the other.

For me, I admire Lee for his tenacity and he has a great story. I hope he gets his fairy tale ending, even if I'm going to be terrified all year (same with JJ except for the great story part).
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:37 pm to
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Is this your first year watching LSU play? Our defense and special teams handed the ball to our offense deep in Arkansas territory several times last year and they couldn't deliver any more than FG's.


What does last year matter? FWIW we started 3 drives in Arkansas territory and came away with 13 points. Against Oregon we started 5 drives in their territory and scored 27 points. We completed 1 pass between those 5 drives.
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 9:38 pm
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