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re: Analyzing Lee's Throws (With Screenshots)
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:46 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:46 am to Antonio Moss
I was very pleased with the way Lee played. Other than one or two throws and the sack he took where he hesitated, I thought he put the ball in a position for our player to make a play.
OBUDan, I appreciate the screen shots, but I think you were much too critical on many of those throws.
OBUDan, I appreciate the screen shots, but I think you were much too critical on many of those throws.
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Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:15 am to lynxcat
quote:If you were to place the passes in one of the three categories, where would you put them:
OBUDan, I appreciate the screen shots, but I think you were much too critical on many of those throws.
(1) Bad pass
(2) Dropped pass
(3) Defensed pass
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:29 am to LSUFreek
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It can be argued:
-Blue should have caught the ball (5 yards)
-Catchable ball that Clement dropped (23)
-Ball went thru Boone's hands (11 yards)
-Catchable ball that Beckham drops (30 yards)
-Ford not looking at all (2 yards)
-Ball hits Clements in the hands (5 yards)
-Randle interfered (6 yards)
-Boone drops the ball (22 yards)
-Randle interfered with again (5 yards)
-Hits Beckham's hands (20 yards)
-Beckham catch nullified due to holding (30 yards)
Not counting RAC numbers, Jarrett Lee could have had 253 total passing yards if not for the drops & penalties.
LSUFreek has spoken
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:43 am to TheDoc
LSUFreek has terrific artistic and creative abilities, but his analysis leaves a lot to be desired.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:08 am to LSUFreek
quote:
It can be argued:
-Blue should have caught the ball (5 yards)
-Catchable ball that Clement dropped (23)
-Ball went thru Boone's hands (11 yards)
-Catchable ball that Beckham drops (30 yards)
-Ford not looking at all (2 yards)
-Ball hits Clements in the hands (5 yards)
-Randle interfered (6 yards)
-Boone drops the ball (22 yards)
-Randle interfered with again (5 yards)
-Hits Beckham's hands (20 yards)
-Beckham catch nullified due to holding (30 yards)
Not counting RAC numbers, Jarrett Lee could have had 253 total passing yards if not for the drops & penalties.
There's been plenty of times in the past 3 years that this could be argued and there always will be.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:11 am to just me
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All passing stats reflect the simple truth that some passes get broken up by the defender. QBs don't get credit for those passes. Those passes are not drops even if the ball touches the receiver's hands. That is simply a fact of life.
Again, thanks for the effort.
Agreed.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:13 am to just me
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If you were to place the passes in one of the three categories, where would you put them:
(1) Bad pass
I think OBUDan got a little carried away when he described some passes as "horrible". It has such a negative connotation that it comes off as hypercritical. "Bad" would have been a better choice and probably avoided some of the hate he has received.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:13 am to 1984Tiger
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Ball placement was generally good, though sometimes late. Unlike last year, the receivers almost always had an opportunity to catch the ball (though had some catches been made, they would have been candidates for ESPNs top 10 plays). If JLee can work on his footwork, we will be very pleased with the results this year. If not, we can expect to see a 45-55% completion rate throughout the season, with a few passes that we wish had never been thrown.
This is in line with my thinking, though I realize my comments in the original posts were perhaps a bit overly negative sounding.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:14 am to Antonio Moss
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Antonio Moss
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Don't you know that if the ball touches the receivers hands and he doesn't catch it, it's a drop?
Depends on who's playing QB
C'mon AM, there were threads all during the year last year that questioned the WRs hands. The WRs took alot of heat in the first half of the year from the pro-JJ crowd.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:16 am to Baloo
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I'd like our receivers to make those grabs, but I also don't think it absolves the QB for the pass.
This exactly. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Also, it's fairly ridiculous for people to say, "Well Lee isn't Drew Brees, you can't expect every throw to be perfect" and then turn around and say, "Well if it's near the WR, he should catch it."
The two just don't jive.
ed. note: That comment isn't directed to any one poster
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:17 am to slackster
Lee is getting over analyzed out the arse. 
It's kinda sad in a way. LSU won, he didn't turn the ball over. Did enough to win with the gameplan.
I know a ton of the fan base was supposedly stating they would be behind Lee win or lose the Oregon game..
It's kinda sad in a way. LSU won, he didn't turn the ball over. Did enough to win with the gameplan.
I know a ton of the fan base was supposedly stating they would be behind Lee win or lose the Oregon game..
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:18 am to jwill37
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Look the throw to Clement should have been caught no question. That ball was perfect. He's a big kid so he had to jump 3 inches. Good grief people
While I can acknowledge I was probably overly critical of the throw, as just me said, Clement was well defensed on the play and the ball came loose. I'd say only about 20% of players are tough enough to hang on to the ball in that situation.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:20 am to just me
I think we can all agree on a few things:
1) If a pass hits a receiver in the hands, he should catch it. Any receiver you ask would tell you the same.
2) Just because it hits a receiver in the hands, it does NOT mean that it was a good throw. Sometimes the WR makes a great effort to get his hands to the ball and while he should come down with it, the ball could have been thrown better at times.
3) Just because the pass is complete, it does not mean it is a good throw. The pass to OBJ for which he laid out is a prime example. He caught the pass, but it was thrown about 15 yards to far to the right. OBJ was running up the seam, well inside the numbers. Lee threw it towards the sideline. He led OBJ properly, but because he threw it so far to OBJ's right, OBJ could not catch up to it in stride.
Look, Lee himself would tell you that he threw some good passes and some bad passes. I am not sure why that has to be argued by the fanbase?
1) If a pass hits a receiver in the hands, he should catch it. Any receiver you ask would tell you the same.
2) Just because it hits a receiver in the hands, it does NOT mean that it was a good throw. Sometimes the WR makes a great effort to get his hands to the ball and while he should come down with it, the ball could have been thrown better at times.
3) Just because the pass is complete, it does not mean it is a good throw. The pass to OBJ for which he laid out is a prime example. He caught the pass, but it was thrown about 15 yards to far to the right. OBJ was running up the seam, well inside the numbers. Lee threw it towards the sideline. He led OBJ properly, but because he threw it so far to OBJ's right, OBJ could not catch up to it in stride.
Look, Lee himself would tell you that he threw some good passes and some bad passes. I am not sure why that has to be argued by the fanbase?
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:20 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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I know a ton of the fan base was supposedly stating they would be behind Lee win or lose the Oregon game..
I can speak critically about a player's game and still be behind him.
I think Lee gets a hall pass from criticism on this site because people WANT him to succeed.
I WANT him to succeed in the worst way, but I still have concerns that he will not.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:22 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
quote:
It's kinda sad in a way. LSU won, he didn't turn the ball over. Did enough to win with the gameplan.
I know a ton of the fan base was supposedly stating they would be behind Lee win or lose the Oregon game..
I am not sure how analyzing his performance means that you no longer support him as the QB.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:24 am to OBUDan
Yeah, but you kinda know what you are going to get with Lee already.. A mediocre qb.
Really would be awesome he started pump faking all over the place, playactioning like a mad man, scanning the field, stepping up in the pocket and just carving defenses up all over the place.
Maybe just going to have to throw quick screens more and let the play makers get some yac.
Really would be awesome he started pump faking all over the place, playactioning like a mad man, scanning the field, stepping up in the pocket and just carving defenses up all over the place.
Maybe just going to have to throw quick screens more and let the play makers get some yac.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:25 am to OBUDan
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My personal stance is to hope for the best and expect the worst (exactly how I would feel with Jefferson in there). I have very little optimism that either of those two will give us anything more than what we've seen of them the past 4 years
i'm kinda this way too. maybe a bit more optimistic. we've seen JJ and JL enough to know that they are average QB's for two very different reason. as far as the confidence of JL, he may never get it. i hope to hell he does. he will throw some interceptions as all qb's do, but i almost feel that one of them may send him to the funny farm. sometimes i think JL has been overcoached by his dad and school coaches and is too analytical. i wish he'd just say frick it and not worry so much.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:28 am to slackster
It doesn't. I was one to go back and look at all his throws myself. I just seem to be more pleased all things considered than others.
I guess I meant it seemed most going into the game were content with mediocre play, but now I'm seeing so many fans are highly concerned and worried about his play here on out.. but you know what you are going to get, and you got it.
I also think Oregon's defenders played a lot better than anyone is giving them credit for..
I guess I meant it seemed most going into the game were content with mediocre play, but now I'm seeing so many fans are highly concerned and worried about his play here on out.. but you know what you are going to get, and you got it.
I also think Oregon's defenders played a lot better than anyone is giving them credit for..
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 11:31 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:29 am to OBUDan
Dan, do you still think Lee has below average arm strength?
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:31 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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Yeah, but you kinda know what you are going to get with Lee already.. A mediocre qb.
Yeah, but does that mean we should just lower our expectations to hope for subpar performances?
Just as with any other player that we are expecting to perform, I don't think we should be merely content with mediocre just because that's what has happened in the past.
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