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An Analysis of hiring a HC at LSU (long)

Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:18 pm
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:18 pm
there are some on here that seem to think that all LSU has to do to hire a qualified HC is to pick up the phone and call and offer a truck load of money. nothing could be further from the truth; there are many complexities and both parties needs' must be met. why would a good coach want to come to LSU....

1-money. we pay Les 4.5 mil and we know we may have to pay up to 6 mil.
2-the opportunity to coach in the big leagues; success would bring much fame and fortune
3-Louisianas fertile recruiting grounds
4-LSU's great facilities and SEC money to keep up in the arms race
5-a loyal and adoring fan base (if you win)

now, contrary to some, there are other schools that meet these exact same critera and many of the proven great coaches already have these things. why would a coach making 5 mil/yr and is kicking arse in their conference want to come here? the answer is they wouldn't. unless there are circumstances that make a change worth it. like family being here, their present admin. makes their job untenable, etc

so our predicament, much like all major schools (even fricking Alabama when they went through lots of coaches before getting Saban and Tejas), is finding a damn good coach that want's to make a change AND has an agent that will facilitate that (a Sexton and Fisher jab). most schools end up "settling" because of any number of factors (tejas).

I comment on certain proven successful HC's....

1. Herman-he's probably out. he makes 3.5 mil and if UH is accepted by Big 12 they can afford more. even if we offer a mil more, that's only about 500k after taxes and agent fees. hell, he's got a great gig now and can dominate the shitty conference they are in. the time is not right for him
2-Nick Saban; this is for you Saban nut suckers. he isn't available
3-Jimbo; get outta here, that ship has sailed
4-Dabo (Clemson); why would be move to the SEC. he already has the above; why take the risk.
5-i'm sure there are other proven guys that make big bucks that I've missed.

LSU has 3 choices. proven big conference guys, mid conference guys that are very successful and an up and coming Coordinator. here's my list (I admit i'm forgetting some)

1-Gundy at Okie State. he may come here for various reasons (being no. 2 is one of them)
2-Gus Maltzan; his situation at Auburn ain't good. many are really pissed at him and he's tired of being #2 in Alabama.
3-James Franklin at Penn State; I hear he's not real happy (doesn't mean i'm right)and he may fit in here real well
4-Chryst (HC at Wisconsin); he may come for the money. he's an offense guy and he would keep Aranda (I assume. the SOB knows how to coach.
5-the Appalacian state HC; he knows how to coach and has successful HC experience
6-North Dakota State HC; all I know is that he's playing for the NC every year in his division. and in North Dakota? he'd think he was in heaven in Louisiana (recruiting wise)
7-Art Briles; if he could keep Aranda and Coach O we would be competing for NC's almost immediately. yes, he's "tainted" but I bet he pays attention to player felonies in the future. and he's available.

I think LSU will not hire a coordinator. it is just too risky. i'm also sure I've missed on some mid major guys as i'm not that familiar with them.

i'll bet a dollar to a do-nut agents are already contacting LSU; many of them's goal is to get their client a raise (fricking jimbo fricking fisher)but there are some that are sincere.
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:22 pm to
And, besides your own speculation and opinions, you have what inside knowledge or evidence this is true?

Get out of here.

Not even a listed vacancy and people are already talking about who we should be ready to "settle for."

Pathetic.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 7:23 pm
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:24 pm to
quote:

7-Art Briles; if he could keep Aranda and Coach O we would be competing for NC's almost immediately. yes, he's "tainted" but I bet he pays attention to player felonies in the future. and he's available.


Everything you said previously, both slightly retarded and completely stupid, is made invalid with this remark.

The last thing LSU needs is to go out and hire the biggest piece of shite in sports at the moment.

If LSU even granted that bastard an interview, I would disavow my fandom.

I hope he burns in Hell for what happened under his watch. And I pity anyone who is willing to dance with the devil in order to win some frickin' football games.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 9:46 pm
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:24 pm to
quote:

there are some on here that seem to think that all LSU has to do to hire a qualified HC is to pick up the phone and call and offer a truck load of money. nothing could be further from the truth;


Really not worth reading anything after this first statement. No it's no as easy as the first half of it states, but the second half guarantees the rest of your post will be some overthought nonsense, more than likely in a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to argue for keeping miles because 'there's no guarantee the next guy will be better.'
Posted by massiveattack
CharLIT/Chapel Chill
Member since Oct 2010
11551 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:26 pm to
Go to sleep gramps, you're out of your depth.
Posted by iluvlsusports
Somewhere in South Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
3663 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:28 pm to
Man, I just don't know what we would do without you setting us youngsters straight. What a relief! We almost went after Jimbo and Herman, how futile that would have been. Sarcasm(on)
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

2-Gus Maltzan; his situation at Auburn ain't good. many are really pissed at him and he's tired of being #2 in Alabama.
3-James Franklin at Penn State; I hear he's not real happy (doesn't mean i'm right)and he may fit in here real well
4-Chryst (HC at Wisconsin); he may come for the money. he's an offense guy and he would keep Aranda (I assume. the SOB knows how to coach.
5-the Appalacian state HC; he knows how to coach and has successful HC experience
6-North Dakota State HC; all I know is that he's playing for the NC every year in his division. and in North Dakota? he'd think he was in heaven in Louisiana (recruiting wise)


I would have to work very hard to come up with such a shitty list of potential coaches for this program.

Aside from the inevitable disaster any of these hires would result in, they would also bring about complete and utter apathy on the part of the fan base.


Posted by Laman1978
Earth
Member since Jan 2009
10887 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:29 pm to
How in the hell do any of you people know that Jimbo's boat has sailed? I've seen absolutely NO PROOF that supports this. NONE.
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:32 pm to
This looks a lot like LSUGrandDad is hoping for a scenario like this so he can say "I told you we shouldn't have gotten rid of Les."

Wishful thinking.
Posted by iluvlsusports
Somewhere in South Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
3663 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:32 pm to
They don't know that at all!
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by iluvlsusports
Somewhere in South Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
3663 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:34 pm to
I think the message board has passed LSU Grandad by.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24538 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

Not even a listed vacancy and people are already talking about who we should be ready to "settle for."


LSU fans are notorious for this. Before the Wisconsin game there was a thread about possibly having to play Bama in the NC game again.

I don't remember discussion of "IF" LSU makes it. It was just when we play in the NC. It's mind boggling. No one can pick up on a life lesson that seems to happen every week now.

Like a fan of another team on the SEC board said about LSU fans. Something like "they say shite until they start believing it or just that they say shite and automatically believe it as being true."

Either way he was right. This site is interesting if nothing else.
Posted by cajunduby
C-Bus
Member since Nov 2012
2245 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:41 pm to
I'm not sure why people are downvoting. Because he's right. If Houston joins the Big-12 than Herman is not coming. Hell, he may not come even if they don't join. And I can guarantee the Jimbo ship sailed. Miles needs to go, but be prepared to not get who you want. Don't worry LSU grand dad, I'll get a hundred down votes too. I guess that's what you get for being realistic around here.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 7:42 pm
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:42 pm to
You can guarantee?

Please share your inside knowledge/source...or is this just an opinion too?

ETA: your argument would have more merit if you just said you don't trust the admin to hire the right one...I might agree there, but blanket statements that all the good ones are off the table? You'd better have proof or STFU...
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 7:44 pm
Posted by cajunduby
C-Bus
Member since Nov 2012
2245 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:44 pm to
What makes you think LSU is bigger/better program than FSU? Now he has another stud Freshman QB ala Winston. So there are two reasons.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 7:45 pm
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

James Franklin at Penn State; I hear he's not real happy (doesn't mean i'm right)and he may fit in here real well

I don't see LSU ever hiring a Black coach and this is coming from a black man. I don't think the boosters would go for that. The fans might but the Political Talk board makes me feel different
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:46 pm to
Is this your evidence?

Disprove Fisher's stated connections to LSU. Prove everyone wrong who has said through various different sources that he wants to end up here?

No way I'll claim to guarantee they're right.
But If speculation is all you have, how the hell can you guarantee they're wrong?
Posted by cajunduby
C-Bus
Member since Nov 2012
2245 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:47 pm to
Share yours. There is none. Try this idea, do you believe Alleva can make the right hire? Look at men's basekball and women's basketball. There's your answer.
Posted by Laman1978
Earth
Member since Jan 2009
10887 posts
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

What makes you think LSU is bigger/better program than FSU? Now he has another stud Freshman QB ala Winston. So there are two reasons.
That wasn't the question. I never said I thought LSU was a "bigger/better program", and quarterbacks owe their success to HIM. Not the other way around. His last three quarterbacks have been selected in the 1st round. That's not a coincidence.

Again, what makes you think his boat has sailed?
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 7:52 pm
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