re: All we need is good QB play right?

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I just said that the game plan didn't change much from Jefferson to Lee considering that they both stood in the pocket and threw the ball. Jefferson wasn't such an upgrade with his feet that he completely changed the way that defensive coordinators had to prepare for him

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Tell it to Nick Saban who made Lee piss his pants and who lost to Jefferson. Why was Jefferson able to be more effective if they had such similar styles of play?

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Redshirt Junior = Senior. You clearly don't know anything about eligibility.

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Wow. Yea, sitting on the bench and never being able to participate in a game is exactly the same as getting valuable playing time and experience your freshman year

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Jamie Howard is the last QB to start before Jefferson and was a 4 year starter with 200 more passing attempts than Jefferson.

Before him was Steve Ensminger in 1976 who came nowhere near Jefferson's numbers.

It would take someone more versed in LSU history than I to go back farther than 40 years.

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So basically not that many QB's have had all 4 years to accumulate stats for the record books? Without you starting another retarded debate about this, let's just put that argument from ya'll about Jefferson's greatness to bed

Jefferson saw legitimate playing time in 3 games in '08 and 6 in '11.

Treating him like he started every game for four years is dishonest.

Zach Mettenberger started for two (minus a bowl game) and nearly surpassed him in pass attempts.

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Jefferson saw legitimate playing time in 3 games in '08 and 6 in '11.

Treating him like he started every game for four years is dishonest.

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Ok I was never saying that he started for 4 years but the fact that he was able to get his feet wet his freshman year while Lee was thrown to the wolves was a huge advantage for him. Mett, Russell, and a lot of other guys didn't have the luxury of being eased into starting.

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Zach Mettenberger started for two (minus a bowl game) and nearly surpassed him in pass attempts.

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And Mettenberger had over 1000 more passing yards than him. Face it, we've had very few QB's at LSU that have been as bad as Jordan Jefferson n the last 40 years. He had an awesome supporting cast and an awesome defense to help him out and he was still as bad as any quarterback that we've had in our lifetimes aside from Jennings

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the fact that he was able to get his feet wet his freshman year while Lee was thrown to the wolves was a huge advantage for him. Mett, Russell, and a lot of other guys didn't have the luxury of being eased into starting.

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For the love of God, please Google 'redshirt.'

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He had an awesome supporting cast 

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I'd like you to name the ones that were drafted, paying close attention to the offensive line.

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Why was Jefferson able to be more effective if they had such similar styles of play?

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Jefferson was effective enough to win the game. 2-2 against Alabama as a starter during a time where they won two NCs and played in the Sugar Bowl.

There's 18 pages of ignorance in this thread on your part. This is just one topic.

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just said that the game plan didn't change much from Jefferson to Lee considering that they both stood in the pocket and threw the ball. 

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Holy shite. Do you even watch the games?

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'm not joking when I say that you have the lowest IQ of anyone that I've ever had a conversation with.

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Wow. My degree from Duke would beg to differ boy. You can't even remember the ignorant arguments you make.

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I'm not saying that he isn't but the reason that we're even discussing this is that you and your idiot friend are claiming that JJ is the main reason that our running backs had so many yards in november. 

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Neither one of us said anything about MAIN REASON. We are trying to educate you on football. If you have a qb that can run the ball, it's helps your rbs because the defense can not sell out and crash down on you. This is common knowledge for people that understand football. At no point did anyone say JJ was THE MAIN REASON. This is why we are calling you a fricking retard. You take what we post and add an extreme to it. For example, I said JJ was a running threat and you turned it into I was making JJ out to be Tim Tebow.
You are the dumbest person I've talked to in at least 2 weeks. You don't understand football at the routemantary level. You have been proven wrong time and time again in the thread with facts and stats and I'm sure in your 64 iq brain, you think you're winning the argument when in reality you've proven you don't know shite about the history of the team you pull for nor do you understand what you're seeing when you watch a football game.
Just conversing with you in this thread has made my iq drop below it's 136 level that it was before dealing with you.


I'll try one last time to let you know facts.
1. JJ is top 6 in every major passing statistic in lsu history. A history of being a top 15 alltime program.
2. JJ was more of a running threat than Herb Tyler because he has a higher yards per carry and is the lsu record holder for a rushing qb.
3. JJ was a far bigger threat to run than JLee. That's why our entire game plan switched once JJ started to run the option. On 11/5.
4. Our November schedule was by far our hardest month of competition. Playing 2 top 3 teams.
5. JJ didn't just pad his stats against weak Nov. Teams. He accounted for 52 % of our entire offensive output against #3 arky and he accounted for 49 % of our entire offensive output against #2 Bama.
6. Herb Tyler never once played behind a God awful line. In fact he played behind some of the best olinemen to ever wear purple and gold.
7. Herb Tyler never played on a shite team. We had back to back top 15 finishes in 96&97.
8. There was not a substantial difference in our offense once JJ became the starter. During JJ'S starts our yards per play was the highest it ever got in 2011 and that includes 2 top 3 teams.
9. There wasn't a huge drop off in passing success once JJ became the qb. The only drop off was in PASS ATTEMPTS. we know this because JLEE and JJ'S yards per pass were .4 apart.


NONE OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS ARE MY OPINIONS. THEY ARE FACTS BACKED UP BY STATS FACTS BACKED UP BY STATS ARE SUPERIOR, IN EVERY WAY, TO THE EYEBALL TEST.OF SOMEONE THAT IS A CONFIRMED FOOTBALL IDIOT.

Since I'm being so ignorant why don't you start a thread and tell all of tigerdroppings that Jefferson wasn't a bad quarterback and tell them that he's the reason that we won 2 games against Alabama in his career and see what kind of response you get. Put your money where your mouth is champ.

18 pages of JJ vs. Lee diarrhea.

LOL