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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:26 pm to southeasttiger113
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:26 pm to southeasttiger113
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Link to where I said this?
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Did you not notice that in 8 games under Lee we absolutely destroyed our opponents and didn't even have a close game and when JJ came back our offense suddenly went anemic
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He played the #90 overall defense, the #47 overall defense, Alabama, and Western Kentucky. That's weak competition
He was 7/7 for 88 yards against the #90 defense
3rd ranked Arkansas had the #15 overall passing defense
2nd ranked Alabama had the #1 overall passing defense
Western Kentucky had the #38 overall passing defense
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I said that his feet weren't good enough to effect the way that the defense played against him.
No, but they were good enough to affect the way the defense played against our RBs.
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Ok, again, we've been talking about QB's senior years.
You decided to start talking about senior years randomly, prior to that, you were debating career numbers... referencing Tyler's 23 career rushing touchdowns compared to Jefferson's 12.
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Our passing offense was ranked at the bottom of the SEC every year that JJ played. He sucked.
We were 19th in the country in passing efficiency in 2009 and 2011.
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:DEFINE SUBSTANTIAL FOR ME PLEASE, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS. HE HAD 100+ ATTEMPTS IN 3 YEARS AND 70 IN HIS FRESHMAN SEASON
AND you were pretty sure JJ had substantial amount of playing time in all 4 years he was at lsu.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:28 pm to southeasttiger113
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I asked you to name players who got substantial playing time their freshman-senior years.
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How many quarterbacks had more than 678 attempts in their careers at LSU with 100+ attempts in their sophomore, junior, and senior seasons
Sorry you can't keep a thought in your head for longer than three minutes.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:33 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Lsu is a top 15 alltime program
Yes it is.... AND just because JJ has some #'s like 6th in everything doesn't mean he is the 6th best QB ever at LSU.... There are quite a few that were better..... AGAIN stats don't mean everything........
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:33 pm to chilge1
quote:Congrats, stat padding
He was 7/7 for 88 yards against the #90 defense
quote:Ok, and JJ sucked until our running backs started tearing them apart and softened them up. Weren't you just talking about how the running game has an effect on the passing game? The fact that they had the #80 overall run defense probably had something to do with that
3rd ranked Arkansas had the #15 overall passing defense
quote:JJ threw for 67 yards
2nd ranked Alabama had the #1 overall passing defense
quote:Yea against that stout Sun Belt competition
Western Kentucky had the #38 overall passing defense
quote:No they fricking weren't moron, you act like you know so much about football but you have no clue how coaches game plan. You act like defenses don't have to account for the fact that every single quarterback can take off at any given moment. That doesn't mean that they completely change their game plan for someone if they don't run like they're in quicksand
No, but they were good enough to affect the way the defense played against our RBs.
quote:No I wasn't. Link?
You decided to start talking about senior years randomly, prior to that, you were debating career numbers
quote:You mean 2011, the year that rick is claiming that Jefferson barely played so it shouldn't pad his stats in the all time record book?
We were 19th in the country in passing efficiency in 2009 and 2011.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:36 pm to chilge1
quote:I said specifically sophomore, junior, and senior seasons and not 3 years because I was referring to other players that had SIMILAR CAREERS TO THE GUY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND PLAYED AS A FRESHMAN. You didn't do too well on the ACT with those critical thinking skills did you? Someone shouldn't have to type a 60 paragraph essay for you to understand what they mean, I bet your boss fricking hates you
Sorry you can't keep a thought in your head for longer than three minutes.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:45 pm to southeasttiger113
Why the hell do you think players are referred to as fifth year seniors?
Russell redshirted as a freshman, got limited p/t as a sophomore, and started as a junior and senior.
Russell redshirted as a freshman, got limited p/t as a sophomore, and started as a junior and senior.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:52 pm to chilge1
Jordan Jefferson played for 4 years and got on the field all 4 years.
I was asking you to name other quarterbacks that got on the field every year for 4 years.
Jamarcus Russell did not get on the field all 4 years he was at LSU.
I was specifically asking for players that had similar careers to JJ in which they got on the field in 7+ games all 4 years that they played.
Is this clear to you? Do you understand why I don't give a frick to talk about JR right now when he doesn't even help your argument considering he had 30 more attempts than JJ and 2000 more yards and almost 20 more TD's?
I was asking you to name other quarterbacks that got on the field every year for 4 years.
Jamarcus Russell did not get on the field all 4 years he was at LSU.
I was specifically asking for players that had similar careers to JJ in which they got on the field in 7+ games all 4 years that they played.
Is this clear to you? Do you understand why I don't give a frick to talk about JR right now when he doesn't even help your argument considering he had 30 more attempts than JJ and 2000 more yards and almost 20 more TD's?
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:55 pm to dukke v
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This isn't really saying much.. LSU has never been portrayed as QB U............ Go back and look at overall stats that compare LSU's passing games against some of the other QB U schools and you will see what I mean.
OK but it's not a shite career. Which is what I responded too.
Also there aren't this huge amount of programs with gaudy passing stats. 8 out of every 10 national titles were won on the back of rushing attacks with a passing attack to keep them honest.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:57 pm to southeasttiger113
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Congrats, stat padding
7 passes in 4 games is stat padding?
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Ok, and JJ sucked until our running backs started tearing them apart and softened them up.
59 yards and a fumble in the first half. At what point did the defense get "softened up"
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You act like defenses don't have to account for the fact that every single quarterback can take off at any given moment.
You're right. There's no difference in game planning for Dak Prescott and Aaron Murray.
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No I wasn't. Link?
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 3:57 pm to southeasttiger113
[quote]Jordan Jefferson played for 4 years and got on the field all 4 years.
He didn't play much in 2008. That's not substantial like you said. You said he got substantial playing time all 4 years.
Like it or not JJ started just over 2 years worth of games and started in less than 3 years worth of games. This notion that he played in 4 years worth of games is NOT FACTUAL.
He didn't play much in 2008. That's not substantial like you said. You said he got substantial playing time all 4 years.
Like it or not JJ started just over 2 years worth of games and started in less than 3 years worth of games. This notion that he played in 4 years worth of games is NOT FACTUAL.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:05 pm to southeasttiger113
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I was asking you to name other quarterbacks that got on the field every year for 4 years.
No you weren't. I already reminded you of what criteria you selected.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:07 pm to chilge1
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No you weren't. I already reminded you of what criteria you selected.
Yeah he will change the criteria once you prove him wrong.
Oh yeah, don't use facts(stats) because he will just use the old eye ball test and tell you you're wrong because he saw it.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:08 pm to chilge1
quote:What the frick are you even responding to? Going 7/7 against the 110th ranked pass defense isn't stat padding considering ya'll keep bringing up his completion percentage?
7 passes in 4 games is stat padding?
quote:When we rushed for 300 yards against them probably
59 yards and a fumble in the first half. At what point did the defense get "softened up"
quote:Jordan Jefferson is a hell of a lot closer to Aaron Murray than Dak Prescott in coaches' eyes. That's my point. Jefferson was a throw first quarterback that could pick up a few yards with his feet if the play broke down but in no way was he a guy that could hurt you with his feet alone all game.
You're right. There's no difference in game planning for Dak Prescott and Aaron Murray.
quote:I never said that
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:12 pm to southeasttiger113
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No they fricking weren't moron, you act like you know so much about football but you have no clue how coaches game plan. You act like defenses don't have to account for the fact that every single quarterback can take off at any given moment. That doesn't mean that they completely change their game plan for someone if they don't run like they're in quicksand
This post is dripping in irony. You actually think Jordan Jefferson(lsu's single season and career qb rushing record holder) wasn't more of threat to run than Jarrett Lee.
I guess I need to say that when I say JJ was a threat to run, I'm in no way saying he was Vince Young or Michael Vick. I'm saying the defense couldn't crash down on the rb when we were in an obvious running down and distance.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:13 pm to chilge1
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No you weren't. I already reminded you of what criteria you selected.
quote:That was exactly what I said, and you responded with Jamarcus Russell who didn't have a senior season. I intentionally included "senior" in there so you'd only be able to respond with quarterbacks who had similar careers as Jordan Jefferson. I'm sorry that you're an idiot who wants to twist every single simple question that I ask into a debate because that's what stupid people do
How many quarterbacks had more than 678 attempts in their careers at LSU with 100+ attempts their sophomore, junior, and senior seasons
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:18 pm to southeasttiger113
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but in no way was he a guy that could hurt you with his feet alone all game.
Tell that to
TENN 2011 73 YARDS 1 TD
ARK 2011 58 YARDS 1TD
Tenn 2010 100 yards 1td
Auburn 2010 76 yards 1td
Tex A&M 70 yards 1td
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:20 pm to southeasttiger113
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Going 7/7 against the 110th ranked pass defense isn't stat padding
Note: also does not understand 'stat padding'
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When we rushed for 300 yards against them probably
So after Jefferson racked up 250 yards?
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Jordan Jefferson is a hell of a lot closer to Aaron Murray than Dak Prescott in coaches' eyes.
You clearly do not have a coach's eye.
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I never said that
I showed you that you did say it and on which page. Please don't make me go back and find it on a gddamn cell phone.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:22 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Please for the love of god don't reproduce and bring more idiots into this world. I'm not joking when I say that you have the lowest IQ of anyone that I've ever had a conversation with. I never said this. I just said that the game plan didn't change much from Jefferson to Lee considering that they both stood in the pocket and threw the ball. Jefferson wasn't such an upgrade with his feet that he completely changed the way that defensive coordinators had to prepare for him
You actually think Jordan Jefferson(lsu's single season and career qb rushing record holder) wasn't more of threat to run than Jarrett Lee.
quote:I'm not saying that he isn't but the reason that we're even discussing this is that you and your idiot friend are claiming that JJ is the main reason that our running backs had so many yards in november. He wasn't that kind of threat and ya'll are delusional for thinking that
I guess I need to say that when I say JJ was a threat to run, I'm in no way saying he was Vince Young or Michael Vick. I'm saying the defense couldn't crash down on the rb when we were in an obvious running down and distance.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:25 pm to southeasttiger113
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That was exactly what I said, and you responded with Jamarcus Russell who didn't have a senior season.
Redshirt Junior = Senior. You clearly don't know anything about eligibility.
Jamie Howard is the last QB to start before Jefferson and was a 4 year starter with 200 more passing attempts than Jefferson.
Before him was Steve Ensminger in 1976 who came nowhere near Jefferson's numbers.
It would take someone more versed in LSU history than I to go back farther than 40 years.
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