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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:58 am to southeasttiger113
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:58 am to southeasttiger113
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though it's already been pointed out that, other than Alabama, he faced the #47, #110, and #123 total offenses,
It's also already been pointed out that using total offense and total defense to determine the success of an offense or defense is fricking bullshite and people that actually know football know that total offense and total defensive rankings ARE NOT PURE STATS. they are skewed by offensive scheme, TOP, and plays ran.
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
This notion that JJ only has stats against weak november comp is bullshite.
He had 261 yards of our 498 yards (52% of our total offense) against the #3 team in the country Arky.
He had 110 yards of our 239 totals yards( 47% of our total offense) against #2 team in the country Bama.
These are not my opinions. They are facts
He had 261 yards of our 498 yards (52% of our total offense) against the #3 team in the country Arky.
He had 110 yards of our 239 totals yards( 47% of our total offense) against #2 team in the country Bama.
These are not my opinions. They are facts
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You understand that his line as a whole was pretty bad despite two great players right? I know that's a lot for your big ole brain to handle but having 2 elite players doesn't make an oline elite
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's also already been pointed out that using total offense and total defense to determine the success of an offense or defense is fricking bullshite
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Because facts prove you wrong. November was by far our best offensive month. Sorry you don't like those facts but that's what they are.
Facts proving our offense got better in the last month of the regular season when we played 2 top 3 teams. get over it. our offense didn't suck when JJ was the starter.
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Facts prove that November was our best offensive month and that had #2 bama and #3 arky in it. So stop saying our offense was shite after JJ began to start because facts prove otherwise. It's not my opinion that our offense got better, IT'S A FACT. But yeah who cares about facts when we have your biased opinion.
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Poster that say our offense went to shite once JJ began to start, don't know what they are talking about. November was by far our best month of offense
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Once JJ started we had the season's highest yards/ play number, the highest yards/ game number, and the highest total yards month. During JJ'S starts we averaged over 400 yards/ game.
Those are all direct quotes from you, you're literally delusional and have no clue what you're saying. All that you did for the first five pages that you posted was say that "JEFFERSON WASN'T BAD BECAUSE OUR TOTAL OFFENSE IMPROVED UNDER HIM". But when I say that he faced weak defenses going off of their total defense (which is a perfectly acceptable barometer of defensive success FYI) I'm wrong? Gotcha
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:40 pm to southeasttiger113
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You understand that his line as a whole was pretty bad despite two great players right
Except no it wasn't. In what world would a bad oline allow Kevin Faulk to be on the best rb in sec history? Just admit you don't know shite about those Herb Tyler teams. 1995 Todd Mcclure, Faneca, and Ben Bordelon each were all sec at some point.
The 96 team finished top 10 in the country.the 97 team finished top 15.
So no Herb Tyler never played behind a God awful line. Just shut up while you're behind.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:41 pm to southeasttiger113
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JEFFERSON WASN'T BAD BECAUSE OUR TOTAL OFFENSE IMPROVED UNDER HIM
I also said yards per attempt.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:What percentage of our points did he account for in those games?
He had 261 yards of our 498 yards (52% of our total offense) against the #3 team in the country Arky.
He had 110 yards of our 239 totals yards( 47% of our total offense) against #2 team in the country Bama.
These are not my opinions. They are facts
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:44 pm to southeasttiger113
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Poster that say our offense went to shite once JJ began to start, don't know what they are talking about. November was by far our best month of offense
Nothing to do with total numbers.
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Poster that say our offense went to shite once JJ began to start, don't know what they are talking about. November was by far our best month of offense
Nothing to do with total numbers.
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Because facts prove you wrong. November was by far our best offensive month. Sorry you don't like those facts but that's what they are.
Facts proving our offense got better in the last month of the regular season when we played 2 top 3 teams. get over it. our offense didn't suck when JJ was the starter.
Nothing to do with total numbers
Wow you suck at this. I never once said anything about our total offensive numbers in any of those. I even said in my first qoute that our yards per play went up.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I also said yards per attempt.
you understand that team yards per attempt falls under the same category as total offense right? As in it's a stat that's completely irrelevant to a QB. But I really wouldn't expect your dumb arse to understand whyPosted on 7/12/15 at 12:45 pm to Powerman
All we need is average QB play. I think we will get it done. Look at the 2011 season.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:In the first post that I quoted you posted a link to total offensive stats for 2011. You were absolutely referring to total offense
Wow you suck at this. I never once said anything about our total offensive numbers in any of those. I even said in my first qoute that our yards per play went up.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:47 pm to southeasttiger113
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What percentage of our points did he account for in those games?
Just admit you were wrong. He accounted for 52 % of our total offemse against the number 3 team in the country.
And he accounted for 49 % of our total offense against the #2 team in the country.
Why are you trying to change the argument? You said he racked up stats against weak Nov opponents.
How has survival of the fittest bot taken you out? You can't even remember you're own argument.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:49 pm to southeasttiger113
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you understand that team yards per attempt falls under the same category as total offense right? As in it's a stat that's completely irrelevant to a QB.
No its not. Yards per attempt shows how successful an offense is regardless of the amount of plays ran. Bruh you really have no fricking clue about football and you're proving it with each post.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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total offensive numbers
quote:Can you explain why yards per play for the entire team is relevant to quarterback play but total offense isn't?
yards per play
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:51 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:The offense didn't run more plays under Jefferson than it did Lee...like what the frick are you talking about "bruh"? It's an irrelevant stat that isn't any different from total offense in regards to the conversation we're having right now
Yards per attempt shows how successful an offense is regardless of the amount of plays ran
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:53 pm to southeasttiger113
These are the things you have been proven(WITH FACTS NOT OPINIONS)
1.our offense got worse under JJ
2. JJ wasnt a threat to run
3. Herb Tyler was a more successful runner than JJ
4.JJ was substantially worse passer than JLee
5. JJ padded stats by being a 4 year starter
6. JJ started a substantial amount of games for 4 years
7. Herb Tyler played behind one of the most god awful lines ever.
8.jj got all his November stats against weak opponents.
9. Herb tyler played on bad teams
No the frick I wasn't. You can see the yards per play numbers in that link dumbass. Just stop while you're really far behind
1.our offense got worse under JJ
2. JJ wasnt a threat to run
3. Herb Tyler was a more successful runner than JJ
4.JJ was substantially worse passer than JLee
5. JJ padded stats by being a 4 year starter
6. JJ started a substantial amount of games for 4 years
7. Herb Tyler played behind one of the most god awful lines ever.
8.jj got all his November stats against weak opponents.
9. Herb tyler played on bad teams
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the first post that I quoted you posted a link to total offensive stats for 2011. You were absolutely referring to total offense
No the frick I wasn't. You can see the yards per play numbers in that link dumbass. Just stop while you're really far behind
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:57 pm to southeasttiger113
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The offense didn't run more plays under Jefferson than it did Lee...like what the frick are you talking about "bruh"? It's an irrelevant stat that isn't any different from total offense in regards to the conversation we're having right now
Holy shite do I have to explain this again?
The amount of plays ran affects total offemse.
If a team A gets 10 yards per play and only runs 3 plays they have 30 yards total.
If a team B gets 5 yards per play but runs 7 plays ( because they run a hurry up no huddle offemse) they have 35 yards total.
Team B's total offensive ranking and numbers will be higher even though Team A was twice as successful when they ran a play.
Team A got 10 yards every play
Team B got 5 yards every play.
When JLEE THREW the ball he had 7.8 passing yards per attempt
When JJ three the ball he had 7.4 yards per attempt. Since the difference is only .4 you can directly see that the diff in passing yards was because of PASS ATTEMPTS being in favor of JLee.
I've already shown you that if JJ had the exact same amount passing attempts as JLEE their total passing yards are separated by 70 yards. Not substantial has you claimed.
To say yards per play means nothing proves your ignorant.
I'm officially done talking to you.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 12:59 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:He passed for 67 yards against Alabama...are you seriously trying to turn that into an argument in your favor?
And he accounted for 49 % of our total offense against the #2 team in the country.
quote:He passed for 168, 88, and 200 yards against the #47, #110, and #123 ranked defenses in the country. I don't really give a frick what you say, the best defenses in the nation are ranked at the top and the shittier defenses are ranked at the middle and bottom.
Why are you trying to change the argument? You said he racked up stats against weak Nov opponents.
He followed that up by passing for 30 and 50 yards when he started playing top 10 defenses again. Like wow, our quarterback accounted for 50% of our yards? WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED THAT! Our offense still sucked against Bama and his only good game against a top 100 defense was against a mediocre Arkansas defense.
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:LSU ran around the game amount of plays every game. The only reason that our yards per play went up was because the running backs went off and accumulated FAR more rushing yards in november than they did under Lee. What do you not understand about yards per play and total offense being hand in hand in this argument? You're a fricking idiot
The amount of plays ran affects total offemse.
If a team A gets 10 yards per play and only runs 3 plays they have 30 yards total.
If a team B gets 5 yards per play but runs 7 plays ( because they run a hurry up no huddle offemse) they have 35 yards total.
Team B's total offensive ranking and numbers will be higher even though Team A was twice as successful when they ran a play.
Team A got 10 yards every play
Team B got 5 yards every play.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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When JLEE THREW the ball he had 7.8 passing yards per attempt
When JJ three the ball he had 7.4 yards per attempt. Since the difference is only .4 you can directly see that the diff in passing yards was because of PASS ATTEMPTS being in favor of JLee.
check your math again, supergenius. You understand what "per attempt" means right? It means that it isn't effected by number of attempts :rotflmao:
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