re: All we need is good QB play right?

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Coming from the guy that wants to talk about total offense, then passing offense, then total offense again, then the regular season, then only Alabama, then the first halves of games, then the whole games, then all of the games that we were within 2 touchdowns at the half minus the 3 games against solid competition that were close, then ONLY about stats and not Jefferson's other shortcomings, then every other random thing that you can single out that makes Jefferson look good.

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You're an idiot who can't even remember the counterarguments of the person he's debating.

Points I've made in this thread:

1) We played teams with impressive passing defenses and soft rushing defenses on the back end of the season.

2) We placed a heavier emphasis on rushing the ball during the back end of the season to adjust to our opponent's strengths and weaknesses.

3) A rushing QB takes pressure off of the running backs in the ground game.

4) Both QBs were serviceable in 2011, but neither was going to beat Alabama in the Superdome.

You're the idiot who brought up halftime scores

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Did you not notice that in 8 games under Lee we absolutely destroyed our opponents and didn't even have a close game and when JJ came back our offense suddenly went anemic and we only scored 14 points in the first half vs Western Kentucky?

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So....what exactly are you arguing then? You've been pumping up Jefferson for 10 pages and shitting on Lee so what's your point? Seeing as how I think Lee was barely average in 2011 and terrible from 2008-2010, and he ended up being better than Jefferson, I'd say that yea, Jefferson was terrible.

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Here's the argument.

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Again, if you want to sound like you know football stop using total def And start using opponents yards per play and points per play rankings. Total defense is heavily skewed by your offense's TOP.

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If he wanted to sound like he knew football, he wouldn't describe a team that finished in the top half of total defense as "ranked almost dead last"

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1) We played teams with impressive passing defenses and soft rushing defenses on the back end of the season.

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This is false. We never played "impressive passing defenses" other than Alabama. Impressive is top 10, then you're left with Arkansas who was above average, Ole Miss who was terrible, and WKU who was terrible. That point is complete bullshite

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2) We placed a heavier emphasis on rushing the ball during the back end of the season to adjust to our opponent's strengths and weaknesses.

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Other than the Ole Miss game this is completely untrue. I already posted the average amount of running plays we had over the course of the season and they stayed the exact same in those 3 games. And Jefferson's passing attempts vs Arkansas were higher than any other game that he or Lee played in during the season. He "racked up" 208 yards but threw the ball 29 times to make that happen. That's an average of 7.2 YPA, which Lee outdid in 5/7 of his starts.

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3) A rushing QB takes pressure off of the running backs in the ground game

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Do you really think Jefferson's goofy arse was enough of a rushing threat to take the pressure off of our running backs? I understand what you're getting at, but you're grossly exaggerating how much of a threat Jefferson was with his feet. I get that black QB's have to be athletic but you should probably watch tape of him running again and tell me with a straight face that he was actually an athletic dual threat QB

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4) Both QBs were serviceable in 2011, but neither was going to beat Alabama in the Superdome.

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I agree, but I really didn't enjoy watching our team camaraderie completely disappear the second that Jefferson came back. We could've scored zero points with Lee in the national championship but he proved that he could've taken care of business against Arkansas, Georgia, Western Kentucky, and Ole Miss AND we would've have had to see Jefferson's bad attitude having arse act like shite and embarrass out program in front of the entire world on 1/9. I never once said that Lee could've ever come close to beating Alabama but that game would've been less embarrassing with Lee in the game as a representative of LSU for a multitude of reasons

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You're the idiot who brought up halftime scores

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No, I said that we dominated 8 games and didn't even come close to a loss with Lee starting (which was true) and gave a random example of how our team changed after Jefferson came back. You have bad reading comprehension if that's what you took from my post that you quoted

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Even though I wanted him to remain the starter doesn't mean that I can't see that there isn't much diff between JLEE AND JJ

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I never said that there was. There was a difference though, and Lee was pretty average in 2011. Everything started to come together for him, he was showing leadership, he quit doing that weird arse shoulder pad tick thing, and he was overall not that hard to watch. That was my entire point. I said in my original post that "even Lee was average his senior year" even though he DID have a terrible career, and although you disagree, I think Jefferson did too, and somebody jumped on me saying that I was an idiot for saying that Lee was average his senior year.

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I would've loved to see how good JLEE could've been had he not started with Crowton. I'm pretty sure JJ reached his ceiling but I believe JLEE could've been all sec had he not been thrown to the wolves in 2008.

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I agree, and honestly that's the main reason that I'm so pissed over Jefferson. I thought Lee was showing flashes of what he could've been in 2011 and as soon as Jefferson came back into the mix he suddenly started fricking up again and seemed really nervous on the field and uncomfortable leading the team, like it wasn't "his team" anymore. That's probably the main reason that I'm so adamant about saying that Jefferson never should've been put in the game after his off the field incident, I sat right behind Jefferson in every game of the 2011 season when he was on the bench and he was a classic cancer to the team. The main difference between the two in my mind was their demeanor and attitude and I probably should've stressed that more

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10th out of 126 is the only impressive pass defenses? Wow.

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Get back to me if our passing defense is out of the top 10 under Steele I bet you'll see really fast that people aren't very impressed by 15th especially if our rushing defense is 80th and our total defense is 47th. Sure, 15th is fine by itself but Arkansas didn't have a very good defense in 2011 and the fact that our running backs went off for 300 yards definitely helped ignite the passing game which was god awful in the beginning of the game

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In no way is that clearly better. It's marginal at best.

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....7.4 is clearly better than 7.8. If someone randomly walked up to you tomorrow and told you to choose between getting 78 dollars and 74 dollars would you ever say "I don't care there's no difference"? It's not a huge difference, but it's a clear difference

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He started just over 2 years worth of games. He didn't start any where near 4 years worth of games.
He started 2009, 2010 and 5 games in 2011.

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He got substantial playtime all 4 years that he was at LSU. I can't remember another QB that was on the field as much as him in my lifetime. Am I wrong about that or something that I'm not aware of?

That is asking a lot from any coach !

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There it is.

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