re: All we need is good QB play right?

Honestly man I've been trying to have somewhat civil discussions considering how flat out idiotic you people are but seriously just shut the frick up if you have to leave out half of our games to support your point.

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Oregon 17-13

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So scoring 17 points on the #3 team in the country is comparable to putting up 14 against Western Kentucky? Almost every game against a top 10 team is close in the first half.

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Kentucky 14-0

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Tennessee 17-7

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Auburn 21-7

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I wasn't aware that being up by 2 touchdowns against SEC competition was considered a close game at the half. Especially considering that the Tennessee win was the largest margin of victory ever since 1925. But let's just include the games that you conveniently left out:

Northwestern 28-0
#16 West Virginia 27-7
#17 Florida 24-3

Isn't it funny how you left out two top 20 teams that we were shitting on with Lee at the helm? It's almost like you're doing that intentionally to make it seem like your moronic statements are less far fetched! That's ONE game under Lee where we weren't dominating at the half (Mississippi State) and they were a top 25 team with a solid defense.

Final defensive ranking of the teams that Lee faced in the 7 games that he complete control:
Oregon: 67
West Virginia: 33
Mississippi State: 35
Kentucky: 58
Florida: 8
Tennessee: 27
Auburn: 80
Lee averaged 180 yards per game passing against these teams

Final defensive ranking of the 4 games that Jefferson had complete control:
Alabama: 1
Western Kentucky: 123
Ole Miss: 110
Arkansas: 47
Jefferson averaged 125 yards per game against these teams

And let's leave out Bama since neither JJ or JL did jack shite against them and they were one of the best defenses in college football history, but instead look at the other two top 10 defenses that we faced in 2011: Georgia and Florida. Remember how you and Mr. Jefferson were making excuses for JJ because "Georgia was on another level compared to any team that Lee faced and he would've done just as bad as Jefferson did"?

Florida
Total defense: 8
Passing defense: 6
Lee's numbers in the Florida game: 70% completions, 154 yards, 1 touchdown, 0 interceptions, a very impressive game all around

Georgia
Total defense: 5
Passing defense: 10
Jefferson's numbers in the Georgia game: 38% completions, 30 yards, 1 touchdown, he embarrassed himself and the university

So Lee had better stats when it was all said and done even though he consistently faced tougher competition than JJ, performed MUCH better against the only top 10 defense that he faced other than Bama in comparison to Jefferson's awful performance in his only other shot at a non-Bama top 10 defense, he was a better leader and didn't have a shite attitude, and never got in trouble, but you think Jefferson was the better choice down the stretch? Good take bud

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Honestly man I've been trying to have somewhat civil discussions considering how flat out idiotic you people are 

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Says the guy saying that JLEE was a far better qb than JJ when in fact there wasn't much diff at all.
If JLEE was so much better, why aren't his % rankings (carer compl %,td/int, qb rating)higher than JJ's.
You prove you don't know shite about football by saying there was a huge passing dro off once JJ became the starter WHEN FACTS (PASSING YARDS PER ATTEMPTELL YOU that the only thing that changed was the PASS ATTEMPS. Passing yards per attempt isn't skewed by how many pass plays you run. It's a pure stat to show how effective you are when you pass the ball. JLEE and JJ'S yards per attempt was separated by .4. In no way is that substantial.

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And grow up and stop the name calling....Just cause you are proven wrong doesn't mean you have to act 13 and throw a temper tantrum

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What? You have never proven me wrong. After a season is over no one uses rankings from when they played idiot.

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Honestly man I've been trying to have somewhat civil discussions considering how flat out idiotic you people are but seriously just shut the frick up if you have to leave out half of our games to support your point.

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Good Lord.

Oregon 17-13
NW State 28-0
MSST 6-3
W Virginia 27-7
Kentucky 14-0
Florida 24-3
Tennessee 17-7
Auburn 21-7
Alabama 3-3
Western Kentucky 14-7
Ole Miss 35-3
Arkansas 21-14
Georgia 7-10
Alabama 9-0

In 10/14 games that year, the score was within 2 possessions at halftime.

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So Lee had better stats when it was all said and done even though he consistently faced tougher competition than JJ, performed MUCH better against the only top 10 defense that he faced other than Bama in comparison to Jefferson's awful performance in his only other shot at a non-Bama top 10 defense, he was a better leader and didn't have a shite attitude, and never got in trouble, but you think Jefferson was the better choice down the stretch?

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Guess I'll re-post this....

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LSU's record with Lee was 8-0 and then he got pulled because he couldn't beat Bama
LSU's record with JJ was 5-0 and then he got completely embarrassed by Bama

This is really just splitting hairs. Both guys showed they could beat quality teams all year. Neither could beat the best team I've seen at the collegiate level in my lifetime.

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The fact that his name is rickdaddy and JJ's younger brother's name is Ricky is pretty weird to me  I love how this guy keeps saying "FACTS" like he's hitting a home run with every post but the facts that he's posting have nothing to do with Lee or Jefferson in 2011

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Wow. Yeah JJ being the better career qb doesn't mean shite since JLEE had 6 decent games in 2011.

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There was a huge gap between them.

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Qb A: 7.4 yards per attempt and 61 %
Qb B: 7.8 yards per attempt and 62% compl

FACTS PROVE YOU WRONG. NOT MY OPINION. THE POST ABOVE IS NOT AN OPINION. IT IS A FACT. You may not like the fact because it shows your fb ignorance, but it remains a FACT.

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Did you not notice that in 8 games under Le

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Yes I noticed JLEE had 6 decent games in that time span.

OREGON- 10/22 45 % compl 98 yards
KENTUCKY -8/21 38% compl 169 yards

Alabama had the 1st ranked Passing Efficiency Defense in 2011
Georgia had the 4th ranked Passing Efficiency Defense in 2011
Arkansas had the 15th ranked Passing Efficiency Defense in 2011
Western Kentucky had the 38th ranked Passing Efficiency Defense in 2011

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NOTE: The stats on this page include data ONLY from games involving two FBS schools.

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Arkansas had the 15th ranked Passing Efficiency Defense in 2011
Western Kentucky had the 38th ranked Passing Efficiency Defense in 2011

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you're right, Western Kentucky had a badass defense man. That's why they were ranked almost dead last in the NCAA in total defense. We were so lucky to have Jordan Jefferson there to hang 14 points on them in one half, I don't think we would've pulled that win out if it wasn't for him and his ability to lead the team through adversity

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Western Kentucky had a badass defense man. That's why they were ranked almost dead last in the NCAA in total defense.

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53/120

And that's one of the five teams where Jefferson saw significant action. He also faced the #1 (twice) #4, and #15 passing defenses.

But keep focusing on Western Kentucky... because that was clearly the most notable game of the 2011 season.

ETA: Jefferson was also 7/7 for 88 yards and a TD, and rushed for another 26 yards against the 90th ranked Passing Defense, since you feel it's necessary to include them.

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He also faced the #1 (twice) #4, and #15 passing defenses.

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And he faced the #1, #4, #47, #110, and #122 total defenses. Weren't ya'll just telling me how passing offense was irrelevant and we should be focused on total offense because that's what went up when Jefferson was in the game?

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But keep focusing on Western Kentucky... because that was clearly the most notable game of the 2011 season.

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Coming from the guy that wants to talk about total offense, then passing offense, then total offense again, then the regular season, then only Alabama, then the first halves of games, then the whole games, then all of the games that we were within 2 touchdowns at the half minus the 3 games against solid competition that were close, then ONLY about stats and not Jefferson's other shortcomings, then every other random thing that you can single out that makes Jefferson look good. He was shite and you have to chop the season into segments to avoid having to look at his body of work in 2011 compared to Jarrett Lee's. No matter how you cut it, Lee was better and did better against good teams on a more consistent basis. I've said everything that I need to say to prove that and I get scatter brained arse responses from you and rick breaking down one single facet of my responses that you can somewhat twist into a win for Jefferson. Get over it dude