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re: All this playoff vs. bowl crap needs to be done with....

Posted on 12/9/09 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8412 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Former Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco told Dan Patrick Monday that he loved the playoff system, would like to see it in FBS, and never missed a class because of playoff games.



This.

Where is the outrage about "missed classes" for the 14 weeks during the regular season? Fact is, these guys' classes are scheduled in such a way that they don't miss much class at all because of weekly playing obligations.

Besides, who is in class between Dec 20 and Jan 6 or so anyway?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80483 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 2:46 pm to
The "missing class" argument is bunk. I like the BCS just fine, but not because I think a playoff is impossible to do.
Posted by rowanspadre
Balad, Iraq
Member since Sep 2008
204 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 2:56 pm to
I'm not sure where the missing class came from or maybe I stated something wrong but it was intended to be about the break time between the end of the season and the bowl game. Colleges work their holiday break schedule differently. But yes I know that is really miner. I think that moving to a playoff will create more problems than we have now. If you do a 8 team playoff, the number 9 will be pissed. If you do a 12 game playoff, the 13 will be pissed. An so on and on.
Posted by timmeister
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Feb 2009
594 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 6:18 pm to
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I don't like the playoff idea and I never will.


Why wouldn't you like the playoff idea when the two teams that are picked to play for the National Championship are determined by polls which in the AP it's mostly biased. The sports writers on the west coast will vote for USC whether they have 4 loses or not. The coaches poll is probably voted by the coaches assistant and the coach never actually knows who he voted for. Head Coaches never have time to watch the other teams play anyway, so why should their vote count when it's not even their vote to begin with? Then you have the computer polls which are total BS, especially when the "Strength of Schedule" is not even in the equasion anymore.

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If you do a 8 team playoff, the number 9 will be pissed.


Not true if the all the teams were set up properly in conferences and you totally do away with the stupid human polls and computer polls. There are 120 Division I Teams. Bottom line, you could have 12 football conferences with 10 teams in each conference. The 12 conferences should be divided into two groups (5 teams each) with the winner of each group(East vs West or North vs South) playing for the conference title. Then the winner of each of the 12 conferences go head to head in a playoff system to determine the National Champion. If a team doesn't win their conference, then how could they get pissed if they were left out of the playoffs? They couldn't because they weren't good enough to win the conference and didn't deserve to play for the NC.

College football should be on an even keel for every team. Is it really fair for an ACC or SEC team to play an extra conference championship game if the PAC 10 or Big 10 doesn’t? No. Is it fair that Boise State, Cincy and TCU are undefeated when none of those 3 teams played not one game with a team from one of the two strongest conferences (Big 12 or SEC)? No.

All I'm saying is that everything is not "equal" in college football and it needs and overhaul. It's not "fair" when team like Penn State has only 2 loses to now #8 Ohio State and now #10 Iowa and get's left out of a BCS bowl when they deserve to be there. Now if the Big 10 was divided into East and West and Ohio State (West) had to play Penn State (East) in a Big 10 championship game and Penn State was the winner of the conference outright, then Penn State would be in the Rose Bowl instead of Ohio State. Or if a playoff system was in place, Penn State would represent their conference.

I know it's not a perfect world, but the current college football system could be "fixed" without the governments intervention if all the conferences would get together and reorganize conference structures and implement a playoff system.

Rant Over.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283026 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 6:23 pm to
To my knowledge, the FBS is the only division in collegiate sports, pro sports that doesn't use a playoff system. If anything, its a dinosaur that needs to evolve.

It works for every other sport, every other division, every other league in the world as we know. Its time has come. The only logical argument against a playoff is tradition.
Posted by lsutothetop
TigerDroppings Elite
Member since Jul 2008
11323 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 6:26 pm to
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you could argue tcu's schedule was harder then Texas's this year. Texas only big wins were against okie state and Nebraska while Tcu beat Byu, Utah, and Clemson.

Texas opponents' record: 83-74 (.529)
Texas Christian opponents' record: 63-70 (.474)

Sure, Texas' best opponents are 9-4 and 9-3 instead of 10-2, 9-3, and 8-5... but TCU has also played a 7-4 IAA team, two 3-9 teams, a 4-8 team, and a 1-11 team. Most notably, half of TCU's opponents have winning records (and only 5 in IA).

Meanwhile, two-thirds of Texas' opponents were .500 or better.

Texas played a tougher schedule, and it's not even close.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 6:26 pm to
yeah, college football should decide its champion like sports such as gymnastics and ice figure skating, great idea
Posted by lsutothetop
TigerDroppings Elite
Member since Jul 2008
11323 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 6:28 pm to
There's also men's basketball and baseball, y'know.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
36789 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

We already have a playoff, it's called the regular season.




/thread
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
36789 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

yeah, college football should decide its champion like sports such as gymnastics and ice figure skating, great idea

What's the general score for a touchdown?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
36789 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:25 pm to
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I know it's not a perfect world, but the current college football system could be "fixed" without the governments intervention

Yeah, by going back to the way it was before they tried to "fix" it by giving us the BCS.

Stop trying to fix things that aren't broken.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:35 pm to
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If you do a 8 team playoff, the number 9 will be pissed. If you do a 12 game playoff, the 13 will be pissed. An so on and on.


better than a team go 13-0 or 14-0 and not get in (like Auburn). It makes the regular season that much more important
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

. You think adding 3 extra games to a team wouldn't hurt them. Let me see you balance a college football and classes that long and stay injury free.


teams manage to do it fine, and how would it interfere with school?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 9:44 pm to
quote:


Yeah, by going back to the way it was before they tried to "fix" it by giving us the BCS.

Stop trying to fix things that aren't broken.


the BCS was a step forward...this would be another one
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
36789 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

the BCS was a step forward...this would be another one

The BCS was a step towards a playoff. It's been a gigantic failure. Why would you want to continue in that direction?
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53692 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 11:35 pm to
quote:

there will never be a playoff system...the writers are just looking to stir the pot, they do it after every year


this
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:38 am to
quote:

It's been a gigantic failure.


i completely disagree. There wasn't even a national championship before this.

What would the bowls be if it weren't for the BCS? Would Bama be playing Texas?
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5358 posts
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:29 am to
it will get changed. we will miss the BCS. the regular season will never be as interesting as it is now. you will never have fans watch what Hawaii does at 1:00am. teams will still get screwed. but it will get changed.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8412 posts
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:43 am to
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The BCS was a step towards a playoff. It's been a gigantic failure. Why would you want to continue in that direction?


So, your proposal is to go back to the old bowls and hope for the best?

Under your scenario, #1 and #2 would be playing in completely different bowls, thus leaving the potential for them both to be undefeated at season's end.

The fact that the BCS gets the top 2 playing each other, guaranteed, is a good thing. Problem is, in many years, other teams can legitimately state that they should be considered.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:48 am to
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. you will never have fans watch what Hawaii does at 1:00am


isn't nearly as important as it was in 2003 with the wa the BCS is now

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teams will still get screwed.


i'd rather a team ranked outside the top 8 get screwed then a team like Auburn in 2004 get screwed

quote:

we will miss the BCS. the regular season will never be as interesting as it is now


every game will be just as important as it is now
This post was edited on 12/10/09 at 4:49 am
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