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re: All College Basketball is dead not just LSU

Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:03 pm to
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NBA just needs a minimum age requirement,

the NBA does have this, essentially
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:05 pm to
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They should be allowed to go straight from high school.

But if they choose to go to school, they have to stay 3 years. Just like the rest of the sports.


i think it's fine how it is

the NBA gets to develop some name recognition for the elite for a year, which was a problem for many draft picks

the NBA gets kids who don't have to suffer from too much college coaching
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:07 pm to
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the NBA gets to develop some name recognition for the elite for a year, which was a problem for many draft picks

the NBA gets kids who don't have to suffer from too much college coaching

This is all true. And it is in the best interest of the NBA.

And I guess that's all that really matters. The league.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:13 pm to
i mean the rules are the NBA's, not college
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:19 pm to
Yea, I know.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:21 pm to
every time this discussion comes up, lots of people post about how the NCAA needs to create the rules

it was more of a statement to the masses
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:26 pm to
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They should be allowed to go straight from high school.

But if they choose to go to school, they have to stay 3 years. Just like the rest of the sports.


I like the idea, but guys could still bolt to Europe.

And I'll buy the fact that they're coached to play a different game in college, but some guys do NEED fundamentals. I posted an article the other night that quoted Michael Jordan as saying there is very little teaching in the NBA due to the number of games.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:29 pm to
I gotcha.

Boeheim is really vocal about the current draft rules, tournament expansion, etc. Coach K has made some remarks too.

But the truth is, no matter how many coaches and members of NCAA institutions complain, the rules will always be advantageous to the NBA.

ETA: hopefully boeheim retires soon so college bball can outlaw the 2-3.
This post was edited on 1/23/11 at 6:36 pm
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:29 pm to
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every time this discussion comes up, lots of people post about how the NCAA needs to create the rules


Exactly...just as, in the NFL, it's the league, not the courts that keep the youngsters out of jumping earlier than after their third year.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:31 pm to
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I like the idea, but guys could still bolt to Europe.

And I'll buy the fact that they're coached to play a different game in college, but some guys do NEED fundamentals. I posted an article the other night that quoted Michael Jordan as saying there is very little teaching in the NBA due to the number of games.

I think there should be rule where if you enter the NBA draft, but you aren't drafted, you can still attend college and play basketball. A lot of problems would emerge from this rule, but I'm just throwing it out there.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:31 pm to
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quoted Michael Jordan as saying there is very little teaching in the NBA due to the number of games.

his experience as a young nba player in the 80s isn't really comparable today

esp post-kg
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:32 pm to
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I think there should be rule where if you enter the NBA draft, but you aren't drafted, you can still attend college and play basketball

i think there is a rule for this. didn't randolph morris do this a few years ago?
Posted by NOSA
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:33 pm to
I failed to read or understand in that post why more kids going to college for one year instead of straight to the NBA made college worse off or why that is not having care for young naive players.

You gave up your tickets and care for college basketball for a rule college basketball had nothing to do with making. Good job.
This post was edited on 1/23/11 at 6:35 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:36 pm to
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I failed to read or understand in that post why more kids going to college for one year instead of straight to the NBA made college worse off or why that is not having care for young naive players.

the 1/done rule makes CBB unstable, esp if you want top talent. before the rule, at least teams knew what they were gettin
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:37 pm to
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who are you to prevent kids from making a living?



No one is preventing anyone from making a living.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:38 pm to
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his experience as a young nba player in the 80s isn't really comparable today


yes, but he played into the early 2000s...the interview was done after he retired, so he would still have a good feel for how much teaching is done. I mean, it makes sense...the number of games and travel is pretty intense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:38 pm to
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No one is preventing anyone from making a living.

people wanting a rule to prevent kids from making money is doing just that
Posted by NOSA
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:38 pm to
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the 1/done rule makes CBB unstable, esp if you want top talent. before the rule, at least teams knew what they were gettin


I understand that. However, he didn't say any of that and made it sound like the rule is hurting the kids by making it so they can go to the NBA when it was easier before that rule. If anything probably more kids that had no business going to the NBA out of high school before can't now and might stay in college longer.
This post was edited on 1/23/11 at 6:40 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:40 pm to
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I mean, it makes sense...the number of games and travel is pretty intense.

i do agree, but on the same token the NBA gives a lot more than 20 hours of coaching per week

theoretically i can understand the arguments about college coaching, but being limited to 20 hours per week means there can't be THAT much fundamental coaching. you'd have very little time to coach the offensive/defensive systems, let alone scouting teams and coaching the strategy for that game
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:40 pm to
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didn't randolph morris do this a few years ago?


just wiki'd him...says the NCAA agreed to reinstate him. not sure if there is an actual rule for it or not.
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