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re: A QB Who Can Run Will Cause RBs to Be More Productive
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:32 am to just me
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:32 am to just me
Not this guy again?
So explain how 2 of the 3 carries by RBs went for loss when JJ was at QB, but only 2 of 39 were for loss when others were at QB? Obviously they werent more productive
With JJ at QB: 0.3 ypc
Without JJ at QB: 3.7 ypc
quote:
A QB Who Can Run Will Cause RBs to Be More Productive
So explain how 2 of the 3 carries by RBs went for loss when JJ was at QB, but only 2 of 39 were for loss when others were at QB? Obviously they werent more productive
With JJ at QB: 0.3 ypc
Without JJ at QB: 3.7 ypc
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:33 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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1411 yards in 13 games
I have no problem with JJ as the running option at QB.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:35 am to Boh
Who cares. Do you think anything you say, matters.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:38 am to lsu xman
quote:You misunderstand. I don't intend to piss and moan about whether Jefferson gets the majority of the snaps. I think Lee should have gotten the majority of the snaps. I'm just here to educate and enlighten.
what are you going to do, piss and moan every week when JL gets the majority of the snaps?
There are a lot of myths perpetuated on this board. This thread is intended to shine some light on one issue.
quote:When you have a decisive lead, one generally recognized strategy is to run the ball.
Outside of the TD run, i thought it was silly to put JJ in just so he can run when LSU had a decisive lead already.
quote:Well, when you have a decisive lead, and, the generally recognized strategy is to run the ball, it's probably not silly to let the person who can run do so. He had 28 yards on 3 carries in that possession.
We all know he can run
quote:I don't think he should have gotten the majority of the snaps. I don't know if he has regained his timing with the receivers. But perhaps Miles should have let Jefferson finish off the possession he started. As always, I defer to Miles on that decision.
how about letting him make a few passes
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:40 am to TIsuGGER
quote:
So explain how 2 of the 3 carries by RBs went for loss when JJ was at QB, but only 2 of 39 were for loss when others were at QB? Obviously they werent more productive
With JJ at QB: 0.3 ypc
Without JJ at QB: 3.7 ypc
No wait . . .
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:43 am to LSU6969
quote:First, the goal of the offense is not to confuse the defense. It might be nice, but it's not the goal. The goal is to win.
If they don't run the option with Lee,or do the passing with JJ, then they are not going to confuse the defense.
Second, I have no doubt that Jefferson will pass. I am not so sure that Lee will run a lot of options.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
No but don't count JJ's rushing. Never. If Lee just had a little quickness he would be good. He never escapes pressure.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:47 am to Rickdaddy4188
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No but don't count JJ's rushing.
I don't. It's a decent quality in JJ. In fact, last year it was his saving grace. Without his ability to run, his fan club would have far fewer numbers. LSU will be better for his ability if the QB changes are made efficiently.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:47 am to just me
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Well, when you have a decisive lead, and, the generally recognized strategy is to run the ball, it's probably not silly to let the person who can run do so. He had 28 yards on 3 carries in that possession.
hes probably excited to just get any kind of playing time, but as a senior QB, i wouldnt want to come in and being told to run. then on 3rd down, get taken out.
if the strategy is to burn the clock, hand it off to the RB. not make the QB run down after down.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:51 am to lsu xman
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if the strategy is to burn the clock, hand it off to the RB. not make the QB run down after down.
Precisely. Don't get a QB injure in garbage time or running out the clock.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 1:53 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
quote:Lee took 30% of the pass attempts in 2010.
1411 yards in 13 games
Doesn't it seem to you more than a little skewed to count Jefferson's 70% of the pass attempts over 100% of the games?
Particularly, if you're going to compare 2010's per game average to 2011 when Lee took 90% of the pass attempts in 2011?
In other words, does it seem at all fair to you to compare Jefferson's 70% to Lee's 90%? Don't you know that Lee is certainly going to have more yardage?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:01 am to lsu xman
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Just Me = JJ's dad
Clearly
His whole premise of the thread was how much better the RBs were with him. Yet they only picked up .3 yards per carry, and he giggled like some school girl, when he got called out on it.
He has zero substance, and his selective stats suck
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:05 am to lsu xman
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Just Me = JJ's dad
He has some kind of obsession. IMO, neither QB is light years ahead of the other. I understand due to personal preferences why some favor one over the other, but LSU's offense is and has been geared toward minimizing the QB position and the damage it can have due to limited coaching (Crowton) an the effect he had on these two QB's. No matter how much people get worked up, I doubt you either will make a dramatic difference to the bottom line. Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:19 am to TIsuGGER
quote::sigh:quote:Clearly
Just Me = JJ's dad
You can't argue the facts so you attack me by arguing that I'm biased?
quote:Your data set is all of three carries. Three fricking carries.
His whole premise of the thread was how much better the RBs were with him. Yet they only picked up .3 yards per carry, and he giggled like some school girl, when he got called out on it.
And you think that you said anything significant by analyzing three carries in one game?
I mean really? Is that what you think?
Hell yes I laughed at your post. It was completely laughable.
quote:I compared their last five games. I compared entire seasons. Hell, I compared their entire careers.
He has zero substance, and his selective stats suck
You really have nothing left to argue, do you.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:22 am to just me
quote:
arguing that I'm biased?
There is nothing to argue, it's your obsession, your schtick, your M.O. on this board. It isn't unique, there are others as well. It's actually kind of cute and entertaining for the most part. Never has such an average qb(s) received such rabid fan obsession.
I think the JJ/JL fan clubs make most of us really really ready for the next era of QB at LSU.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:31 am to just me
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Your data set is all of three carries. Three fricking carries.
Hey JJs dad. Thats all he has to work with
Dont blame him, youre the genius who posted that JJ makes the RBs more productive after a game where they picked up 1 total yd in 3 carries. Next time, wait til you have a better example to support your bias. He called you out. He used accurate data. And pissed on your whole theory
Its clear to everyone that when JJ is in the game, the defense will bring the house. It showed tonight, and will not get any better. 2 of 3 for loss with JJ, against 2 of 39 with Lee. Hard to stack the box against a guy who just tossed a 52 yd TD
u mad?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:39 am to RobbBobb
I was enjoying the pissing match between Roger and Just but now that RobbBobb is here this could be epic. By the way how much have ya'll had to drink. 
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:43 am to LSU6969
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I was enjoying the pissing match between Roger and Just but now that RobbBobb is here this could be epic
I am printing up Team Mett an Team Randall t-shirts (with some "Ride the Rivers" shirts for backup) for the next two years if anyone is interested. Figure the interest will be high and I could get $30 bucks a pop. I feel a little down I didn't get in on this Team Lee/JJ action years ago.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It's somewhat amazing to me that you think having an opinion is equal to bias.
There is nothing to argue, it's your obsession, your schtick, your M.O. on this board. It isn't unique, there are others as well. It's actually kind of cute and entertaining for the most part. Never has such an average qb(s) received such rabid fan obsession.
I think the JJ/JL fan clubs make most of us really really ready for the next era of QB at LSU.
Having an opinion that is supported by the facts is not bias.
I support Lee. I think he's a good QB. I think he should get the majority of the snaps right now.
I said repeatedly that he should get playing time in every game last year. I have always said that I hope he does well. I never cheered against Lee. I posted that he should have gotten at least equal playing time after the West Virginia game last year.
I don't know Jordan Jefferson. I have never met him. I don't know what he's like in person.
It's not bias. I don't prefer one person over the person.
However, in my opinion based upon analysis the facts, Jefferson gives LSU a better chance to win.
If I seem to reiterate my position about Jefferson, one need only compare the posts bashing Jefferson compared to the number of posts that tend to favor Jefferson. Even more jaw-dropping would be a comparison of the number of threads.
Certainly, I have posted quite a bit about the recent legal issues; however, it's at the nexus of two of my favorite interests: the law and LSU football.
In short, I'm not biased. My opinion was formed after a careful analysis of the facts and issues. The fact that I have a strong opinion is a reflection of the analysis, not a personal inclination.
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