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re: Storm Johnson's 100m Time
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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not really
No, when he ran up the middle with his pads square, he could punish people if needbe. I saw him do it in some of his tougher games like Bama in his last year. He didn't need to do it against Pelini's defenses, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it against others.
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because you are using the keywords for, "you need a big bruising back who goes POW" to win in CFB
ha, I've never said that! I'm on the Lache train!
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but these are "sissy" plays, correct?
Last time I checked, USC never ran the option. Heck, I never saw them run that screen pass like LSU did against Auburn either. Those are the "sissy plays" I'm talking about. Plays where Keiland relies on scheme or other players, rather than his own skill, to get in the openfield. Bush didn't need that kind of help.
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Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:16 am to ColtsTigers
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Last time I checked, USC never ran the option.
well they did try the wildcat last year
but they ran lots and lots of screens, which you labeled as "sissy" plays
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I'm talking about. Plays where Keiland relies on scheme or other players, rather than his own skill, to get in the openfield
that's what you do. get your playmakers in space
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Bush didn't need that kind of help.
yeah bush did not rely on his amazing OL, norm chow's flawless screen calls, or jarrett helping to clear space
shite most of bush's big runs were bad runs where he just broke it outside and ran fast. that's what you're criticizing keiland for
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah bush did not rely on his amazing OL, norm chow's flawless screen calls, or jarrett helping to clear space
Why would he? He's played against Stanford,
Oregon State, Arizona, Washington State, Cal- Berkeley etc. etc.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:24 am to ColtsTigers
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Heck, I never saw them run that screen pass like LSU did against Auburn either
ur dum
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:26 am to usc6158
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ur dum
English please. Put letters together to create a word.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's all about use and getting your playmakers in space
just look at UF last year. they had a bunch of 180 lb running backs who owned CFB. and they will this year too
many more championships have been won recently with speedy/shifty backs (08 UF-rainey/harvin, 05 UT-charles, 04 USC-bush, 03 LSU-vincent, 01 UM-portis, 99 FSU-minor) than power backs (07 LSU-hester, 02 OSU, clarrett). 2 teams won with the spread and lack of relying on a running game (06 UF and 00 OU)
here's the breakdown:
power: 2
speed: 6
spread: 2
And despite being a midget, Jeff Demps ran more physical than Keiland Williams. Plus, he and Rainey could actually make people miss, unlike Keiland. Also, don't you remember how successful they ran btw the tackles against Malveto's defense last year? It wasn't all option.
Dude, I'm with you. As I said, I'm on the Lache train.
With that said, every single one of those RBs was better than Williams, and all were much better IMO.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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but they ran lots and lots of screens, which you labeled as "sissy" plays
I've never seen them run the type of screen that LSU ran against Auburn. In fact, I've seen few teams run that. It was an amazingly executed play by our OL. Give them some credit as well as Crowton for calling it, please. It's not easy to execute a play where two 320+lb linemen clear out people 20 yards downfield.
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that's what you do. get your playmakers in space
A bigtime speed back like Bush, Seastrunk, Harvin, etc doesn't need that kind of help. He can simply do a power run up the middle, and break it big from there.
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shite most of bush's big runs were bad runs where he just broke it outside and ran fast. that's what you're criticizing keiland for
If Keiland had even half of Bush's talent to do that, maybe I wouldn't be criticizing him. But he's not in the same strasphere at doing that as Bush is.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:44 am to ColtsTigers
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As I said, I'm on the Lache train.
lache is an upright runner too though, at least from what i've seen (i admit i haven't seen his latest videos. he may just appear upright b/c he gets so many lanes to run straight).
upright runners don't generally juke people. hell that's one reason why AD and addai suffer so many injuries
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:47 am to ColtsTigers
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A bigtime speed back like Bush, Seastrunk, Harvin, etc doesn't need that kind of help. He can simply do a power run up the middle, and break it big from there.
i'm not claiming KW is harvin or bush, but harvin and bush only had big runs up the middle when their OL opened HUGE holes
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If Keiland had even half of Bush's talent to do that, maybe I wouldn't be criticizing him
did you watch 2006 once keiland started getting PT? i'm not saying he's bush, but he's well beyond "half" of his talent. look at his big runs. look at his ypc. then remember our OL was not a good run-blocking OL that year
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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lache is an upright runner too though, at least from what i've seen (i admit i haven't seen his latest videos. he may just appear upright b/c he gets so many lanes to run straight).
upright runners don't generally juke people. hell that's one reason why AD and addai suffer so many injuries
Nah, Lache has great agility and can make a ton of people miss. AD makes people miss as well.
You're right on Addai. That's why he's had exactly maybe two good full rushing seasons in his entire college and pro careers. Addai, unlike Keiland, actually runs really hard though.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not claiming KW is harvin or bush, but harvin and bush only had big runs up the middle when their OL opened HUGE holes
Sure, but KW can't do nearly as much as them either when there are those huge holes.
And he certainly can't when he breaks it outside like those two do and tries to make something out of nothing.
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did you watch 2006 once keiland started getting PT? i'm not saying he's bush, but he's well beyond "half" of his talent. look at his big runs. look at his ypc. then remember our OL was not a good run-blocking OL that year
Yep, remember his runs in games like ND (I was there) and Tenn very well. He's not in the same stratosphere as Bush. There was nothing in those games that Charles Scott couldn't have done as a Sophomore, most likely.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:03 pm to ColtsTigers
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There was nothing in those games that Charles Scott couldn't have done as a Sophomore, most likely.
except most of the long runs
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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except most of the long runs
Kentucky?
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:09 pm to ColtsTigers
i'm talking 2006, not 2007
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm talking 2006, not 2007
Acording to LSU, KW's longest run was 38 yards & charles scott longest run was also 38 yards in 2006. Scott as usual had a better YPC average in 2006.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm talking 2006, not 2007
That's why I said Scott as a Sophomore. I would never argue that KW was better than Scott as a frosh, CS wasn't good as a frosh.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:25 pm to Sammich
no difference in a big run against an SEC opponent like bama during a part of the game that mattered and a run against one of the worst Pac10 teams when they had their backups in. NO DIFFERENCE.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're wrong
when he's been given a chance, he produces
i'll never understand why he wasn't given a real shot after 2007. it's mindblowing
absolutely. Hester earned his time by putting his head down in 07 against florida and bama in particular, but I was amazed that we let Charles Scott get tired down last year by straying away from our committee (ESP Keiland Williams and Trindon Holliday (the latter, all over the field). I don't want to hear about the Heisman; Scott could have at minimum been spelled a series here and there instead of running every down.
I hope we play those guys up to their potential as seniors. Free Coach Gary Crowton!
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:41 pm to STLSU
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but I was amazed that we let Charles Scott get tired down last year by straying away from our committee
well we never really run RBBC
but scott wore down, keiland actually ran well (even between the tackles), and scott still dominated carries
i didn't get it
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:42 pm to STLSU
Speaking of low center of gravity runners, I hope we are recruiting more 5'9" to 5'11" rb's. The ideal RB size ala Barry Sanders, Holmes, Faulk, Emmitt Smith, LT...
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