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re: Seastrunk question
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:18 pm to Maximus
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:18 pm to Maximus
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how did all those Arkansas backs do before and after Malzahn's one year there as quasi-OC?
Were not as productive at all before and great the year after...Basically because we were still running the same plays...Go back and watch OM last year.
In 2005 there was no option read with McFadden and Jones and were never on the field at the same time. Yes DMAC had over 1000 yards, but it was evident the introduction of Felix Jones to the field helped both of them tremendously.
To say Malzahn is not proven is stupid...He has proven himself in the SEC in a year that the SEC walked away with the NC...
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:40 pm to Come2Conquer
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LSU has national championship trophies; Auburn doesn't.
If Seastrunk is chosing his school based only on number of national championship trophies both Auburn and LSU will be out of luck. He would probably go to Alabama since as the gentleman who mows my lawns tshirt the other day pointed out they "got 12" championships.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:45 pm to sugatowng
Come on. McFadden was an amazing talent coming out of high school. Of course his sophomore season was better than his freshman season. That's the general trajectory for anyone not named Justin Vincent.
2005- 176 carries-1113 yards, 6.3 YPC, 11 TDs
2006- 286 carries-1647 yards, 5.8 YPC, 14 TDs
2007- 325 carries-1830 yards, 5.6 YPC, 16 TDs
Looks to me like Malzhan ruined his YPC
Felix Jones wasn't exactly a scrub before Malzhan came either. He got more carries in 2006 than 2005, but again, that's a natural career progression for a good running back, especially for one who was a little light coming into his freshman season.
2005- 99 caries-623 yards, 6.3 YPC, 3 TDs
2006- 154 carries-1168 yards, 7.6 YPC, 6 TDs
2007- 133 carries-1162 yards, 8.7 YPC, 11 TDs
It's incredibly obvious that any coach could put up nice numbers with Felix and DMC. They were incredibly talented players who were both first round picks, and it didn't take a genius to figure out their talent. Malzahn is clearly a very good coach. He ran some very productive offenses at Tulsa, and I am sure Auburn's offense will be dangerous in a year or two, but he didn't exactly discover hidden gems with Jones and McFadden.
Also, the Arkansas fans are so inconsistent about the 2006 season. Apparently, Nutt didn't give enough authority to Malzhan, and that's why he left. He couldn't call the plays he wanted. Well in that case, how can you give credit to Malzhan when McFadden and Felix piled up stats on plays he didn't call?
If Malzhan did call the plays, then he had noticeable difficulty with the passing offense.
Let me guess. Malzhan called all the running plays, while Nutt was in charge of the passing game
2005- 176 carries-1113 yards, 6.3 YPC, 11 TDs
2006- 286 carries-1647 yards, 5.8 YPC, 14 TDs
2007- 325 carries-1830 yards, 5.6 YPC, 16 TDs
Looks to me like Malzhan ruined his YPC
Felix Jones wasn't exactly a scrub before Malzhan came either. He got more carries in 2006 than 2005, but again, that's a natural career progression for a good running back, especially for one who was a little light coming into his freshman season.
2005- 99 caries-623 yards, 6.3 YPC, 3 TDs
2006- 154 carries-1168 yards, 7.6 YPC, 6 TDs
2007- 133 carries-1162 yards, 8.7 YPC, 11 TDs
It's incredibly obvious that any coach could put up nice numbers with Felix and DMC. They were incredibly talented players who were both first round picks, and it didn't take a genius to figure out their talent. Malzahn is clearly a very good coach. He ran some very productive offenses at Tulsa, and I am sure Auburn's offense will be dangerous in a year or two, but he didn't exactly discover hidden gems with Jones and McFadden.
Also, the Arkansas fans are so inconsistent about the 2006 season. Apparently, Nutt didn't give enough authority to Malzhan, and that's why he left. He couldn't call the plays he wanted. Well in that case, how can you give credit to Malzhan when McFadden and Felix piled up stats on plays he didn't call?
If Malzhan did call the plays, then he had noticeable difficulty with the passing offense.
Let me guess. Malzhan called all the running plays, while Nutt was in charge of the passing game
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:48 pm to AuRob
getting back to the subject at hand the aubbies are forgetting one main factor in laches recruitment--his cousin is michael ford and a few months ago was stated as saying he would like to play on the same team as mike--just sayin
Posted on 4/22/09 at 3:03 pm to 32tigers
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getting back to the subject at hand the aubbies are forgetting one main factor in laches recruitment--his cousin is michael ford and a few months ago was stated as saying he would like to play on the same team as mike--just sayin
I never said that LSU did not have a very good chance to sign seastrunk, I think they do and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. My posts were directed at the posters who claimed the only possible way Seastrunk would choose Auburn over LSU would be if there was foul play by the preacher involved.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 3:19 pm to sugatowng
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Were not as productive at all before and great the year after.
they were not as productive as true freshmen than they were as sophmores? NO shite? What a phenomenon! They both went over 6 yards a carry and combined for nearly 1800 yards and 14 TDs.
The point is they were extremely productive as true freshmen, extremely productive as sophmores when Arkansas paid Malzahn a salary to land his high school players and extremely productive as juniors. I don't see where Malzahn waved this magic wand.??
The lengths the Arkansas fans will go to vilify Nutt and put Malzahn on a pedestal know no limits.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 4:34 pm to woopiginaustin
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It's a sham that his reintroduction of the single wing swept colleges and the NFL like wildfire the past 3 years?
Tony Franklin has a video.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 4:44 pm to arwicklu
Posted on 4/22/09 at 4:54 pm to sugatowng
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Were not as productive at all before and great the year after...Basically because we were still running the same plays...Go back and watch OM last year.
In 2005 there was no option read with McFadden and Jones and were never on the field at the same time. Yes DMAC had over 1000 yards, but it was evident the introduction of Felix Jones to the field helped both of them tremendously.
To say Malzahn is not proven is stupid...He has proven himself in the SEC in a year that the SEC walked away with the NC...
McFadden averaged 6.3 yards per carry in '05. He averaged 5.8 in '06.
I'm not sayin Gus won't be decent but his body of work is fairly small.
In Arkansas everything really ran through Houston Nutt.
In Tulsa the offense has been good but the competition is weak.
I tend to think he'll do pretty well but he just doesn't have a huge resume as a coach of a big program.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 5:20 pm to arwicklu
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his body of work is fairly small.
In 3 years he has a resume that most OC's will never have. That includes two OC of the Year awards, his players led the nation in individual and/or team passing and rushing categories, crushed school passing and/or rushing records at two schools, 3 conference championship games, and 3 bowls.
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In Arkansas everything really ran through Houston Nutt.
True but also misleading when put in this context. Nutt said no to the "Hurry-up, No-Huddle". Gus was handcuffed in the sense that he ran the offense throughout the week, submitted a weekly playbook to Nutt, and on gamedays Malzahn would call a play to Nutt, who would then give the go ahead or a veto.
The implementation of the single-wing/Wildcat was also Malzahn's baby. He ran it non-stop for a decade at his HS's.
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Tulsa the offense has been good but the competition is weak.
Tulsa is the smallest D1 school in the country with almost no funding and facilities that rival that of a HS. Tulsa also has "Tulsa" talent. Malzahn slashed C-USA offensive records with C-USA talent. He didn't take the Pittsburgh Steelers into stadiums on Saturday's. He continued his trend of high scoring football with talent that was equal to that of his competitors.
In HS, he had HS players. In the SEC, he had SEC players. In the C-USA, he had C-USA players. Yet, through it all, he has done nothing but succeed.
You arse clowns are bitching to bitch. Like old women. There isn't a damn thing shy of winning a NC that he hasn't accomplished in his 3 years, I expect Auburn to continue the trend of high scoring offenses.
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/22/09 at 5:38 pm to woopiginaustin
annnndddd boom goes the dynamite. Now cue maximus rephrasing his same two points he has already made during this thread 200 times.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 5:42 pm to AuRob
if only i could come up with new boooom dynamite like repeating 19 times that he won an award from fricking rivals.com twice and that Tulsa doesn't have a lot of fans.
You guys know that Malzahn made McFadden and Felix Jones and Curtis Luper made barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Bo Jackson, Ronnie Brown and Stephen Davis and that is all that matters. WAR EAGLE!!!
You guys know that Malzahn made McFadden and Felix Jones and Curtis Luper made barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Bo Jackson, Ronnie Brown and Stephen Davis and that is all that matters. WAR EAGLE!!!
Posted on 4/22/09 at 6:43 pm to Maximus
Max, it's sad when people try to take credit for making so & so instead of giving praise to GOD for allowing so & so to play football at which ever college they happen to be coaching at.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 7:24 pm to woopiginaustin
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There isn't a damn thing shy of winning a NC that he hasn't accomplished in his 3 years
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:16 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Why does this Maximus kid have to be a complete douche 24/7? this cornhusker hates Auburn more then any bammer..jesus christ...relax son 
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:52 pm to Jhag
Posted on 4/23/09 at 9:48 am to woopiginaustin
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There isn't a damn thing shy of winning a NC that he hasn't accomplished in his 3 years, I expect Auburn to continue the trend of high scoring offenses.
That's just silly. They got to the SECCG in his year handcuffed by Nutt. They finished the season losing 3 straight, including a bowl loss to Wisconsin.
Look at C-USA. University of Houston finished number 2 in total offense. The conference doesn't play defense. They only scored 23 against Arky and their defense wasn't good. Rice had the number 10 offense... they stink.
The top 10 offenses are teams mostly from C-USA and the Big 12. Both conferences play poor defense. OU and TTU didn't set the world on fire against their SEC bowl foes. Rice, Houston, and Tulsa didn't blow away the better teams on their schedule.
I'm not against Gus but he was handcuffed by Nutt one year and had one of the greatest RB combos of all time. The following 2 years he's playing in a conference where defense doesn't exist and Houston/Rice have top 10 offenses. Larry Coker has a better resume and I wouldn't hire that guy.
I'm really not hating on Gus... I just don't share your blind passion and dude love for him.
Posted on 4/23/09 at 10:14 am to arwicklu
Seastrunk will go to Auburn or USC, but I suspect Auburn. Will not go to Texas as he has told people Texas lied to him and his mother.
Posted on 4/23/09 at 10:16 am to arwicklu
From the Pig side, he is just the folk hero that emerged from their hate for Houston Nutt and his text messaging. Somehow, while they got so crazy with their hate for Nutt they built Malzahn up as Jesus.
Posted on 4/23/09 at 10:16 am to Maximus
quote:Elephant in the room
how did all those Arkansas backs do before and after Malzahn's one year there as quasi-OC?
Just like asking how Tulsa did the year before he got there.
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