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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:54 pm to subidc
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He may see the field year 2. He will play special teams most likely. He is too small right now to start at LB.
As someone else pointed out earlier in another thread, Tolan was the same size as Weeks coming in as an EE last year. He put on weight in the S&C program and got himself on the field at LB as the season went on. Weeks could potentially do the same being an EE.
If we do well adding LBs in the portal then Weeks’ role will be special teams (important as we saw this year), LB depth, and a guy who can play and get experience vs non cons and to close games that are out of hand.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:52 am to subidc
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He is too small right now to start at LB.
Isn’t he the same size as Harold Perkins coming out of HS? 6’2” 210lbs right?
Posted on 1/8/23 at 8:32 am to philly444
That’s the argument. We don’t have many options, and that’s not good.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:24 am to GeauxJZK
Yea and he’s better than the linebacker from many who according to locals, is among the best high school linebackers ever to play the game
Saying that, I think Weeks can make a nice impact next year since the experts who cover it nationally now see him as better than even the great player from many
Saying that, I think Weeks can make a nice impact next year since the experts who cover it nationally now see him as better than even the great player from many
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:26 am to deuce985
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You got Perkins one of the best defensive players in the country
At edge, but he wasn't making nearly the impact later as a more traditional LB. Also, just playing off LB is much less impactful, and that seems to be the goal for him, position-wise.
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and Mason Smith
I wish he hadn't gotten hurt because he could have developed into one of the best players in CFB, but he hasn't shown that (yet). He has physical ability but hasn't shown it on the field (why his injury sucked. If he lives up to the hype we'll only get 1 year out of it). Again, his role also may limit his production (like Perkins).
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You have a lot of talent in the secondary next year.
Corner? Coverage safety?
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LSU's defense looked much worse last year at this time but still yet they were pretty good this year and we were on the cusp of a playoff spot.
And we lose guys like BJ and Roy and Baskerville.
We have questions at the most important positions on D (Edge, corner) and will be starting 2 new LBs
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They just need to get a little more depth in the portal and we riding.
We need a lot more depth at DL, an elite edge (assuming that's not where Perkins ends up, and if that happens, replace edge with LB), and an elite CB. Maybe one of the young guys will step up, but again, way high of expectations for 1st and 2nd year guys.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:43 am to misey94
You have to be able to add good weight & keep your speed & agility and it is not always easy to do both.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:13 am to deuce985
quote:If you were hoping that we would redshirt this entire freshman class …That’s probably not going to happen…so you can start melting right now
If you’re relying on true freshman..you in trouble
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:16 am to deuce985
quote:Yes this kid is going to have some rough patches….we don’t need any player on this team to be perfect every game …we don’t this kid to be all SEC …we just need him to be serviceable
All our great freshman this year had some rough patches
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Denver Harris? Zy Alexander? You’re saying get guys out of the transfer portal…we just did
Corner ? Coverage safety
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
This football team is going to go as far as Jayden Daniels…or Garrett Nussmeier takes us
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
You have way less questions this year than last and they're not done in the portal yet. You're also under the assumption nobody develops with 1+ year with this staff which is silly.
They about to land another highly touted young CB, they have Alexander who has questions if he can translate to this level but LSU seems to think he can, and they got Harris who's arguably top CB or top 2-3 CB in the portal. They still have Welch on the roster who's basically another 5* and Banks who could end up as a start who knows. He's more of a complimentary player right now since we don't know if he's healthy but he's a nice problem to have if it is. Toviano will likely contribute day 1 somewhere either CB or S my guess is rotational S if they slip Brooks in nickel in packages.
DL you still have multiple young talented guys. Jones, Wiggins, etc. with 1+ year development. Jones got significant PT and looked pretty good this year. Womack is coming in that's a 5*. Shand was no slouch at Arizona who should be a solid player. Jefferson was their best defensive player LSU poached. He could start on most teams but he'll be a rotational guy behind 2 all-americans DTs. This is all under the assumption someone doesn't come out of nowhere in development somewhere on defense like Carter.
You still have Perkins who can only jump in progression since he didn't know the nuances to the position. I'll give you the rest of LBs are weak but Penn had some solid spots last year, he's still young, and he can still develop more. You really don't know if he takes a big step like Clark did for us. They'll probably target LBs if any good ones come in the portal.
S you have Brooks who was a very solid player all through the year and Burns who at times looked good as a starter last year. You have lots of talented depth here behind them.
The issue this year is inexperienced but highly talented depth. You're looking at high end blue chip talent as depth in every DB spot. It's 1000x better situation than what we had last year and far less question marks. Outside LB, their starters are good - great in positions. They have way more depth than last year that's more talented. I fail to see how they're "bad" when last year had more question marks but still performed above expectations. They collapsed at the end due to lack of depth which they're not done filling in the portal.
I think you going to be surprised at how good Shand and Jefferson are. They're exactly the cog depth you need in a rotational DL and they're not done yet. The biggest question mark is LB but even there you have decent in Weeks/Penn who contributed. If they feel it's weak past spring I'm sure we'll get someone in the portal.
They about to land another highly touted young CB, they have Alexander who has questions if he can translate to this level but LSU seems to think he can, and they got Harris who's arguably top CB or top 2-3 CB in the portal. They still have Welch on the roster who's basically another 5* and Banks who could end up as a start who knows. He's more of a complimentary player right now since we don't know if he's healthy but he's a nice problem to have if it is. Toviano will likely contribute day 1 somewhere either CB or S my guess is rotational S if they slip Brooks in nickel in packages.
DL you still have multiple young talented guys. Jones, Wiggins, etc. with 1+ year development. Jones got significant PT and looked pretty good this year. Womack is coming in that's a 5*. Shand was no slouch at Arizona who should be a solid player. Jefferson was their best defensive player LSU poached. He could start on most teams but he'll be a rotational guy behind 2 all-americans DTs. This is all under the assumption someone doesn't come out of nowhere in development somewhere on defense like Carter.
You still have Perkins who can only jump in progression since he didn't know the nuances to the position. I'll give you the rest of LBs are weak but Penn had some solid spots last year, he's still young, and he can still develop more. You really don't know if he takes a big step like Clark did for us. They'll probably target LBs if any good ones come in the portal.
S you have Brooks who was a very solid player all through the year and Burns who at times looked good as a starter last year. You have lots of talented depth here behind them.
The issue this year is inexperienced but highly talented depth. You're looking at high end blue chip talent as depth in every DB spot. It's 1000x better situation than what we had last year and far less question marks. Outside LB, their starters are good - great in positions. They have way more depth than last year that's more talented. I fail to see how they're "bad" when last year had more question marks but still performed above expectations. They collapsed at the end due to lack of depth which they're not done filling in the portal.
I think you going to be surprised at how good Shand and Jefferson are. They're exactly the cog depth you need in a rotational DL and they're not done yet. The biggest question mark is LB but even there you have decent in Weeks/Penn who contributed. If they feel it's weak past spring I'm sure we'll get someone in the portal.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:47 am to deuce985
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You have way less questions this year than last
Before even coming to lsu;
Bernard Converse- 47 starts
Foucha 34 starts
Garner 19 starts
I’m not sure they’ve brought in this caliber of transfer this year in the defensive backfield.
But I also didn’t think it would be as good as it was last year that this point.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:48 am to 2003tigerfan
Talking about starters. It's fine to give them PT rotating but if you're relying on them to start 100% in several positions you going to have some serious growing pains.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:48 am to deuce985
quote:isn’t that what this is really about ? ….everyone was hoping that Tolan would take the starting job away from Penn
Penn can still develop
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
That's experience. Harris last year looked pretty damn good before he got suspended in SEC play. I don't know about Alexander. It seems some think he's an NFL player but we'll see on that. Obviously LSU scouting identified him as potentially one otherwise they wouldn't offer him. LSU scouting is elite and DB is one of the easiest positions to evaluate talent.
Everyone still on the team is 1+ year in development under this coaching staff. That can't be overlooked. You're going to get a few guys pop up out of nowhere where you'll say where was he last year?
The point is, there's no way he can say this defense will be "bad" because there's no argument it's in worse shape than it was last year. They're not even done recruiting in the portal nevermind what he said was hyperbole. Does it have questions? Sure. Every year you're going to have questions somewhere on a college team. I feel more comfortable this year than last year.
Everyone still on the team is 1+ year in development under this coaching staff. That can't be overlooked. You're going to get a few guys pop up out of nowhere where you'll say where was he last year?
The point is, there's no way he can say this defense will be "bad" because there's no argument it's in worse shape than it was last year. They're not even done recruiting in the portal nevermind what he said was hyperbole. Does it have questions? Sure. Every year you're going to have questions somewhere on a college team. I feel more comfortable this year than last year.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:54 am to 2003tigerfan
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isn’t that what this is really about ? ….everyone was hoping that Tolan would take the starting job away from Penn
I’m not sure about this. Penn improved all season. I think he’s gonna be a decent player next year. I get the concern at LB depth but recruiting the portal isn’t done.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:56 am to 2003tigerfan
I don't know what Tolan's issue was. "personal issues' sounds like bullshite to me. It sounded more like he got a money bag and a promise to start at Auburn and here he'd have to compete for it. Penn wasn't terrible in all spots last year. He actually looked good in some games. He's still what, a sophomore? He can develop. Don't forget how bad Clark looked before he made the jump to NFL. His last year he saw a huge jump in maturity. Same can happen to Weeks or Penn. Tolan either didn't want to compete or wanted guarantees LSU isn't going to give him.
Penn makes me nervous if he's day 1 starter but I also acknowledge he still has plenty of opportunity to mature.
Penn makes me nervous if he's day 1 starter but I also acknowledge he still has plenty of opportunity to mature.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:56 am to deuce985
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You have way less questions this year than last
Naw
At best, similar amount of questions, and we weren't close to legitimately being a playoff team. We had this one fantasy scenario, but we never came close to it happening (losing to a shitty TAMU and then facing UGA).
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they have Alexander who has questions if he can translate to this level but LSU seems to think he can, and they got Harris who's arguably top CB or top 2-3 CB in the portal.
Harris is talented and may be a #1 CB next year, but Alexander is a much bigger projection. And we need 2, #1 CBs.
You're putting a lot of pressure on a 1AA transfer and a true sophomore who is in year 1 in our system without a full year of production.
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You're looking at high end blue chip talent as depth in every DB spot. It's 1000x better situation than what we had last year and far less question marks.
Eh, many more questions marks but potentially more high-end talent..at CB
Losing BJ/Gaye was big, and Perkins likely won't be following them at edge. Yes we have some talented young guys at edge, but nobody proven (and nobody close to what BJ brought last year).
Our DL could be better but we don't have a solidified true #1 DL like Roy. Smith could be that, but we haven't seen it yet. Our transfers are more depth options who would be 3rd string on a true title contender.
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S you have Brooks who was a very solid player all through the year and Burns who at times looked good as a starter last year. You have lots of talented depth here behind them.
But nobody at S who has shown to be elite in coverage, which is mandatory (especially with our scheme and question marks at CB)
And LB is a mess.
I'm not saying our D doesn't have talent, but projecting a really good D is putting too high of expectations on this team. It's much more likely our D is very rough next year and we'll be led by our offense entirely.
We should be in shootouts routinely next year
Posted on 1/8/23 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
You're doing it again. You act like LSU doesn't have others on the roster. You don't think Welch has the talent to push for a starting position? Banks? They'll probably get JK Johnson in the portal which he started most of the year at Ohio State and was one of the highest recruited CBs. BK wants guys with lots of eligibility left in portal but he's not going to ignore talents like Shand/Jefferson either.
Depth wise already LSU is unquestionably in better shape than last year on defense. You're running serious mental gymnastics if you think otherwise.
Depth wise already LSU is unquestionably in better shape than last year on defense. You're running serious mental gymnastics if you think otherwise.
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