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Position Par Levels for college football’s 85 limit

Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:54 am
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:54 am
Just spitballing on an ideal year (def not this year) on where your 85 go. A lot is going to be considered by the DC



Offense Scholarships ~40
Defense Scholarships ~42
Special Teams ~3

Offense 40

QB...........4
RB...........5

WR...........4
WR...........3
WR...........3

TE/HB........5 if two TE sets used often

LT...........4
G............3
C............3
G............3
RT...........3


Defense 42 for 4-3

DE...........4
NT...........3
DT............4
DE...........4

Olb.........4
MLB.......4
Olb.........3

CB...........4
CB...........3
FS/nick....5
SS...........4


Special Teams 3

PK...........1
P............1
Snap.........1



Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:54 am to
What we have
And this is ONLY up to interpretation. Melts incoming. Don’t melt. Add your expertise, here.

All subject to change when more players leave. Ncaa has to let us recoup this 18 player dearth.


Offense 40

QB...........4 ..we have 4
Par
RB...........5 .. we have 5
Par

WR...........4 ..we have 2
WR...........3 .........3
WR...........3 .........3
-2

TE/HB........5 ...we have 3
-2

LT...........4 ........we have 3
G............3 .........2
C............3 ..........3
G............3 ............2
RT...........3 ..........2
-4

Defense 42 for 4-3

DE...........4 ...we have 3
NT...........3..........2
DT............4.........2
DE...........4.........4
-4

Olb.........4.......we have 2
MLB.......4........3
Olb.........3.........2
-4

CB...........4..we have 4
CB...........3 ......3
FS/nick....5......4
SS...........4 ......3
-2

Special Teams 3

PK...........1 have one
P............1 have one
Snap.........1 have one
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 9:15 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:10 am to
Need

More

Beef
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:14 am to
quote:

Ncaa has to let us recoup this 18 player dearth.


Why?
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
30143 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:16 am to
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Why?


they allowed for transfers out and you cannot let teams operate at a 79% limit while other teams are going near 100% at 85.

at this point we are operating at +2 over division 2's allotted 65 scholarships......in the Power 5.


NCAA created this with the portal.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 9:18 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:23 am to
You are going to be sorely disappointed. There is no support within the NCAA for adjusting the 25 rule.

Making exceptions for transfers creates too much room for abuse, because players can be forced to "transfer" which would open up additional signees.

The 85/25 rule is to create competitive balance and to discourage attrition. What you are asking is for attrition to be rewarded.
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:33 am to
quote:


The 85/25 rule is to create competitive balance and to discourage attrition. What you are asking is for attrition to be rewarded.



It was an odd year and there is no reward for LSU in this transfer portal experience. So the NCAA adjusted their stance on the portal two years ago. It was grossly mishandled and teams are at div 2 levels of scholarship players. Im not asking you to acknowledge that. What is to prevent 5-10 more leaving? You want to play 2020 over again and play 2021 with 54 players? That's a recipe for injury and further competitive disadvantage.

You can be fine with that, I guess. Pelini just got fired for having a defense with 30 players on it and it cost us 5.2 mil.

None of that makes sense.
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
19700 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:35 am to
We can't get to 85 right now anyway. Didn't LSU voluntary reduce the 85 scholarship limit in hopes of satisfying the NCAA?
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
30143 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:42 am to
I forgot about that. I think we are allowed to get to 81 for 2021 and 81 for 2022.


Either way, we are still 14 below where we are allowed to be. Don't expect to win a division with a -14 dearth. Don't fire the next DC for not having enough tacklers.....that's what happened this year.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:47 am to
quote:

You want to play 2020 over again and play 2021 with 54 players? That's a recipe for injury and further competitive disadvantage.

You can be fine with that, I guess.


You're acting like this is my decision. It's possible for me to NOT like that, but also be a realist and know that it won't be changing.

There are plenty of schools with the opposite problem. Why should LSU be rewarded for poor roster management?

And also, you don't know how how the roster will end up. Your numbers don't account for who is coming back or not.

Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 9:58 am to
quote:

You can be fine with that, I guess.



You can imagine, if you like, to think that somewhere in all that, I have called this your decision. You're not thinking right and and continues to show here:

quote:

Why should LSU be rewarded for poor roster management?


Losing players to draft/wokeness/quitting is not a roster management issue for 2020.

quote:

And also, you don't know how how the roster will end up. Your numbers don't account for who is coming back or not.

i have a better grip on who is coming back than you do. even though you call yourself a "realist".

I think you are derailing a par level thread and making yourself look silly.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 10:00 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:04 am to
You say, twice "you want" and "you can be fine with that"


Well, I don't want and I'm not fine with that.

But I know what the rules are, why those rules exist and that they won't be changing.

You derailed your own "par" thread with a fool's wish for a rule change that will never happen.
Posted by Tiger0610
Member since Oct 2016
132 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:08 am to
What’s your point? Is your purpose here to lower expectations in case we look like dog shite next year?

Every other team seems to be managing just fine in this situation. Staff either remedies the situation and finds a way to win regardless of the roster management (or mismanagement) issues or they get fired
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11973 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:10 am to
quote:

Why?


Correct!
We aren't Notre Dame. We get no special considerations..
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:15 am to

You don't need 85 active players to win in college football. There have been years where the bulk of the incoming class was redshirted, leaving 60-65 available players.

We were certainly too low this year, but having 70 available players is not that big of a deal.
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
30143 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:26 am to
quote:

You don't need 85 active players to win in college football. There have been years where the bulk of the incoming class was redshirted, leaving 60-65 available players.

We were certainly too low this year, but having 70 available players is not that big of a deal.



The reason for 85 is to not have 85 players play in any year.

The reason for 85 is to create depth under your 1s and 2s.

These players are learning to come in on their junior year after bulking up/learning playbook/adjusting to college life (prevent portal).

If you had your choice, you'd pick 85 over 70 as any man with a quarter of a brain would do. Sure, you can play with 70, but that is very, very dumb to prefer....or to expect better results from....doesn't make sense.

Again, depth has two levels. The players that come in and spell, and the ones trying to earn PT next year. It gets you to a reload situation instead of rebuild.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:30 am to
Of course, but just the mere fact of having 70 is not a problem, at least for that year.

More is always better.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30143 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:35 am to
quote:

Of course, but just the mere fact of having 70 is not a problem,
you do you.


if you want to build for 2022 and 2023, you take what you can get.....granted we are sanctioned at 81 for 2022 and 81 for 2023.


I will go field a team of 81, and you can take 70 and be fine with it. Logically, one will be better prepared in 2024/2025 with men who are bigger/faster/playbook-ready while you are fine with rebuilding with frosh and threatening to fire the next DC for 5 mill . not smart.

I'd go back and forth with you about that, but that is all i have for you.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 10:37 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:39 am to
Go start some more irrelevant threads about rule changes that will never happen.

Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
30143 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 10:49 am to
Oh boy.

You sound angry and following like an aggy does on the sec rant.


Calm your tits, hun.
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