re: Mickey Johnson benches 500?!?

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Ok...whatever you say. My brother is a sports medicine doctor and prior to this was a powerlifter and in his younger days a bodybuilder who is still the youngest to win the Mr. Louisiana overall.

I know Gary Frank personally, watched him deadlift 1063 in New Orleans and also saw Kellum hit 900 something at the same meet. Please spare me. My brother is on the following video spotting Captain Kirk Karwoski when he squatted 1003 in Baton Rouge for the World Record. My brother is the one directly behind him. I think my brother, Dr. Thomas P. Cockerham M.D. knows as much as you.

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Like I said, I don't doubt you've done what you've done or know who you know, but all I'm hearing is a bunch of "I've seen this guy do this" and "I've seen that guy do that" and "my brother is a doctor."

That's nice and all, but what I'm telling you, is that the videos of the kid in question are all equipped. And while your brother may know what he's talking about, that doesn't mean you do.

Kellum has visited our gym in the panhandle and lifted here before. That doesn't qualify me as knowing what I'm talking about nearly as much as my actual education in this exact field. I've lifted at API and have seen tons of powerlifters and athletes roll through and do their thing as well. I've seen many powerlifting competitions, and have competed in a few myself. You're arguing with basic PL knowledge. Shirts aid in pressing. Even single-plys. Doesn't mean Johnson isn't hella strong. It just means he can't bench 500 like the title says.

kid sounds like a monster. I would beinterested to know his rep skills. In FB the one rep max is not that good of a gauge. The NFL uses 225, but I'd say 275-315 for reps for a big kid like that.

Regardless of the pissin contest goin on amongst you experts, that kid is fricking strong.

My senior year I was good for a legit 425 (did 445 but spotter touched the bar the whole range which is no lift in my book) touch and go at 278 lbs and was one of the strongest HS football players in the country.......pausing is only for powerlifters, touch and go is more appropriate for FB.

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I would beinterested to know his rep skills. In FB the one rep max is not that good of a gauge. The NFL uses 225, but I'd say 275-315 for reps for a big kid like that.

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A guage for what? Muscular endurance?

I was able to bench 350lbs with a pause but able to bench 225 for 29 reps. Something tells me that this kid is pretty strong.

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You may not hit your opponent once on a single play, but you definitely don't hit him 29 times. If you are, then you're doin it wrong.

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...and that's why you don't do successive 225-rep outs. I was only using the single play point as an example of need for repetition.

It's basically this, Gary Frank could probably knock, say, John Henderson off the ball on a couple of plays, BUT at the end of the 1st quarter Henderson would be having his way with Gary.

Now, understand this, these are elite athletes at their respective sports and it would be as unfair to Gary as it would be to John if you put John under the competition bar. Apples to oranges. Citing this kids 1-rep bench is good for his POWERLIFTING career. A rep max would be more suited to his FOOTBALL career. That's really all I am saying.


Incidentally, I was in Home Depot years ago and my wife walks up to me and goes, "Oh my god! Look behind you. That guy makes you look tiny." Well, Gary Frank was just behind me looking at something on the shelf......it was pretty funny. Gary is a sight to behold. 400 lbs of all business. The bald head makes it even more ominous.

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...and that's why you don't do successive 225-rep outs. I was only using the single play point as an example of need for repetition.

It's basically this, Gary Frank could probably knock, say, John Henderson off the ball on a couple of plays, BUT at the end of the 1st quarter Henderson would be having his way with Gary.

Now, understand this, these are elite athletes at their respective sports and it would be as unfair to Gary as it would be to John if you put John under the competition bar. Apples to oranges. Citing this kids 1-rep bench is good for his POWERLIFTING career. A rep max would be more suited to his FOOTBALL career. That's really all I am saying.


Incidentally, I was in Home Depot years ago and my wife walks up to me and goes, "Oh my god! Look behind you. That guy makes you look tiny." Well, Gary Frank was just behind me looking at something on the shelf......it was pretty funny. Gary is a sight to behold. 400 lbs of all business. The bald head makes it even more ominous.

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All I can say is that the rep max is an indicator of the maximum force you can push away from you with your upper torso. Which is something I'd like to know more than how much a guy can rep successively. True that you don't do just one push all game. But if you are using proper technique, one push per blocked defender a play is all you should really need. Rep maxes aren't really all that good unless your team happens to play no-huddle offense and you happen to be on the OL. However, someone who bench presses 500lbs can likely bury someone who's only 225lbs or so with his sheer power, simply off his sheer strength (assuming the rest of him is proportionately as strong).

I prefer 3-4 rep maxes when not competing, because it's low enough that you can get an accurate read on your true max without running the risk of injury as much. That should put you within 85-90% of whatever your true max is. Anything greater than 8 reps is a waste of time IMO as you're crossing over into muscular endurance.

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Re-title this thread: "The butcher shop"
So much steak in here.

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I watched those too. The board press is for lock out purposes and generally one can bench maybe 10 percent more when they are doing this exercise

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Hey Bammer expert, did you use your great education to read my first post on this subject? If you took more than high school math you will see that my statement actually correlates perfectly to what his actual bench press is based on his board press. 10 percent of 500 is 50 minus 500 equals 450. Oh wow, I just watched a video of Mickey stroking 440 in a meet. I guess I don't know shite.

My point about the bench shirt was that the shirts that they are allowed to use do not give them another 10 percent plus like you are alluding to.

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Hey Bammer expert, did you use your great education to read my first post on this subject? If you took more than high school math you will see that my statement actually correlates perfectly to what his actual bench press is based on his board press. 10 percent of 500 is 50 minus 500 equals 450. Oh wow, I just watched a video of Mickey stroking 440 in a meet. I guess I don't know shite.

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Good job! You're third grade teacher would be proud. Now have him take off the bench shirt and make him press raw. Okay thanks.

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My point about the bench shirt was that the shirts that they are allowed to use do not give them another 10 percent plus like you are alluding to.

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Single ply bench shirts can grant roughly a 10% increase. If his is like the weakest of all bench shirts in existence, I'd say it only aided him about 25 lbs. That's like a 415lb press though right? Still a mighty fine accomplishment.

My uncle is a doctor/trainer at the combine in the NFL and many Nike combines for college. They do 225 because it was the average for a bunch of different numbers. It was the closest number they show for a players play to play strength factor.