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re: Jimbo Fisher is something else!

Posted on 2/5/11 at 10:51 am to
Posted by Hitchcock
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 10:51 am to
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at least we only had 1 loss in 2003, compared to 2 losses in 2007



People love a good split: LINK
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 10:56 am to
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2006 played top-10 Auburn and #1 UF...on the road


...and Jimbo lost both games
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 11:02 am to
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That's not just the OC's responsibility. It's the head coach's as well. The buck stops with him. He makes the most money. The head coach and the OC and offensive staff game plan together all week. The head coach is the boss and he sets the tone for the program.


This is the problem i have with guys like you. You are defending Jimbo, when he wasnt that great of an OC. He was def better than crowton and def a better qb coach than crowton. Yet you are basically saying Les is responsible for everything. guys like you would refuse to give him credit for the wins or even the 11 wins this year. People who defended Crowton are the same way and only point out the losses and that they were all Les' fault. All the guy does is win and cares deeply about LSU, but doesnt receive the credit he deserves. Which is 62-17. Something no other coach has been able to do at LSU. I dont think his winning% is going to drop any time soon.


And if les really has his hands in the offense, then it doesnt matter who our oc is. As long as he does the little things like coaching the position they are supposed to coach, then we will be fine. Cus we have seen what Les' offense can do with a QB.
This post was edited on 2/5/11 at 11:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 11:25 am to
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...and Jimbo lost both games

as opposed to UK and a lesser Arky team (at home) in 2007?

want to compare losses?
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 12:16 pm to
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There is no double standard regarding Miles


There absolutely is. You want to give Miles credit for all the wins, no blame for the losses. And you've criticized other coaches under different screen names for inadequate recruiting when they had QB problems but you'd never do that to Miles. I'm really not criticizing Miles, I'm pointing out double standards.

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He recruited & signed 2 ranked QBs or 2011


But, for the past 2 years, we haven't had outstanding QB's throwing to our Wr's. Using your logic for most coaches, that goes back to recruiting.

Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 12:19 pm to
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Your posting semantics. 2006 played Fat Bastard Charlie Weiss & Notre Dame


My post has nothing to do with what games we played in or who we played.

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Afterwards you & the SLP complained how LSU overmatched Notre Dame in talent.


I don't recall that. I think you are posting misinformation.

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Apparently you've revised your story & now believe they were the same level of competition as SEC East Champs Tennessee & #1 Ohio State, with the #1 ranked defense.


Considering my post was not challenging our competition, you are assuming. And you are dead wrong, as usual.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 12:24 pm to
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You are defending Jimbo, when he wasnt that great of an OC.


To people with reading comprehension problems, it can look that way.

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He was def better than crowton and def a better qb coach than crowton. Yet you are basically saying Les is responsible for everything.


I'm going by Cocks standards and then challenging them. If Miles responsible for everything that goes right, he's also responsible for everything that goes wrong.

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guys like you would refuse to give him credit for the wins or even the 11 wins this year


Again, to people with reading comprehension problems, it could seem that way.

As for the rest of your post, well, it's like you are taking this stuff too seriously. I'm playing Hitchcock like a drum.

Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 1:17 pm to
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There absolutely is. You want to give Miles credit for all the wins, no blame for the losses. And you've criticized other coaches under different screen names for inadequate recruiting when they had QB problems but you'd never do that to Miles. I'm really not criticizing Miles, I'm pointing out double standards.


No. I've posted his record 2 times in the thread. Multiple screenames? Part of your dementia has caused paranoia. Another part is you have created in your mind, an illusion of "Inadequate Recruiting", which is simply laughable. Yet you say you're not criticizing Miles. What did you post about Kragthorpe again?

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But, for the past 2 years, we haven't had outstanding QB's throwing to our Wr's. Using your logic for most coaches, that goes back to recruiting
Yet LSU had an 11-2 record, ranked within the Top 10. Few if any other coaches could achieve that IMO.

Posted by NoleBama
Montgomery, Al.
Member since Nov 2010
385 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 1:22 pm to
I'm glad we have him now, even some of our fans didn't believe in him when we came up short some games. Even the best have bad days.
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 1:25 pm to
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My post has nothing to do with what games we played in or who we played.


You posted misleading information, which I caught for you.
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I don't recall that. I think you are posting misinformation.
You sound like Bill Clinton, referencing some stains he left on a fat chick's dress. Anyway, your posting history tells a different story.
This post was edited on 2/5/11 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm playing Hitchcock like a drum.


I'm sure. Like these guys? LINK
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 1:55 pm to
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Multiple screenames? Part of your dementia has caused paranoia


Sammich/TigerTap

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Another part is you have created in your mind, an illusion of "Inadequate Recruiting", which is simply laughable


Yep. You've blamed other staffs for not recruiting good enough when they don't have effective QB's. But, you'd never do that with Miles. Thus the double standard.

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Yet you say you're not criticizing Miles


I'm trying to get you to be consistent with your standards. But, we both know you won't ever be.

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Yet LSU had an 11-2 record, ranked within the Top 10. Few if any other coaches could achieve that IMO.


And, with better QB recruiting, we could have been better. But, as long as you acknowledge what is important, it's all good.

Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 1:57 pm to
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You posted misleading information, which I caught for you.


I posted what I meant to post the way it was meant to be posted. If it was misleading, that's your interpretation.

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You sound like Bill Clinton, referencing some stains he left on a fat chick's dress. Anyway, your posting history tells a different story


I have no recollection of your assertion. Considering you are the king of posting misinformation, that's likely the case here with you, Sandwich.
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 2:40 pm to
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Sammich/TigerTap


Pure dementia, on your part PicsesTiger/others.

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Yep. You've blamed other staffs for not recruiting good enough when they don't have effective QB's. But, you'd never do that with Miles. Thus the double standard.
There is no double standard.

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I'm trying to get you to be consistent with your standards. But, we both know you won't ever be.

I don't feel the need to try to poke holes in Miles, a great coach & recruiter. That's what Bama & Ole Miss fans are for. I like that fact that Miles has developed a persona "The Mad Hatter" or "The Hat" & averages 10.33 Wins per season. It's never been done at LSU before.

The more he does his Hat thing, the more exposure & revenue he brings to the LSU Football program.

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And, with better QB recruiting, we could have been better. But, as long as you acknowledge what is important, it's all good.


Had Jimbo not accepted a commit from Jarret Lee, (who still could show something..) it could have opened a spot for a different QB. Perrilloux won the 2007 SECCG, but his situation is well documented. Zach Lee is playing Pro Baseball.

This post was edited on 2/5/11 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 2:55 pm to
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I posted what I meant to post the way it was meant to be posted. If it was misleading, that's your interpretation.


It was misleading. Playing in the Sugar Bowl is great, but not near the same level as the SECCG & winning the National Championship.

How can it be interpreted any other way?

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I have no recollection of your assertion. Considering you are the king of posting misinformation, that's likely the case here with you, Sandwich.


No misinformation was posted by me.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:00 pm to
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Pure dementia, on your part PicsesTiger/others.




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There is no double standard.


Yes there is and I've explained it

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don't feel the need to try to poke holes in Miles


In other words, you have different standards for Miles and other coaches.

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Had Jimbo not accepted a commit from Jarret Lee, (who still could show something..) it could have opened a spot for a different QB.


Miles approved the scholarship offer to Lee. Jimbo was not the head coach. Miles was. He gets paid the most money. The buck stops with him. Miles is complicit.


This post was edited on 2/5/11 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:02 pm to
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It was misleading


That's how you took it. Not to me was it misleading.

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How can it be interpreted any other way?


My post was about the number of games played in each season, not what games were played.

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No misinformation was posted by me.


You have a long history of posting misinformation, especially under your Sammich and TigerTap screen names. In fact, denying you posted misinformation is misinformation.
This post was edited on 2/5/11 at 4:05 pm
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:17 pm to
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Yes there is and I've explained it


No, your double tandard theory is your "Interpretation".
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In other words, you have different standards for Miles and other coaches.


Did you mean than other coaches? Your sentence makes no sense. And it's not a comprehension problem.

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Miles approved the scholarship offer to Lee. Jimbo was not the head coach. Miles was. He gets paid the most money. The buck stops with him. Miles is complicit.
Is it smart to pull a scholarship from a long time QB commit? Hell No! Too late in the recruiting process. Coaches do not know what recruits will do until you put them on the field.

Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
46026 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:23 pm to
He wanted a HC job. I wish him all the best. He ididnt leave on bad terms
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 4:23 pm to
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No, your double tandard theory is your "Interpretation


As long as you fail to criticize Miles for bad recruiting when we have mediocre QB's like you have with other coaches under other screen names, my theory stands.

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Did you mean than other coaches? Your sentence makes no sense. And it's not a comprehension problem.


No, I mean you have one set of standards for Miles and another for other coaches.

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Is it smart to pull a scholarship from a long time QB commit? Hell No! Too late in the recruiting process. Coaches do not know what recruits will do until you put them on


That hasn't kept you from criticizing other coaches for bad recruiting when they have mediocre QB's. It all goes back to your double standards.
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