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re: Hmmm! New Commit Coming Soon?
Posted on 4/30/12 at 8:51 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 4/30/12 at 8:51 am to Prominentwon
quote:
You've suggested LSU is cheating before
He prolly suggested that because we have cheated before lol!! Last time i checked we were losing schollys for cheating. Just my opinion...wait that's a fact sorry
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Posted on 4/30/12 at 8:58 am to fjohns1
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losing schollys for cheating
violating a rule =/= cheating.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 9:07 am to H-Town Tiger
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violating a rule =/= cheating.
brilliant. mind if I use this for my own delusions?
Posted on 4/30/12 at 9:26 am to Dan
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brilliant. mind if I use this for my own delusions?
I don't have any delusions. I know LSU is not "clean". I also don't care. That doesn't change the fact that breaking a rule is not necessarily "cheating". Kicking your ball out of the rough is cheating. Not signing your score card is a rules violation, hardly cheating.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 10:23 am to H-Town Tiger
Patrick Peterson says hello. But I believe he will be the last for a very long time. Les will not go that route again.
Saban, on the other hand, has no such scruples but he's really smart. They wanted Trent and they got Trent, very similar to the way we got Peterson. But you can believe that the REC is well educated and kept in check as much as reasonably possible. Plus Nick the Dick will always find creative ways to bend the rules enough to not put everything on the line for just one player.
Neither situation was anywhere near the level of the Cam Newton inducement, but there were definitely some "not so legal incentives" that lured the top player in Fla to LSU and Bama in back to back years.
Saban, on the other hand, has no such scruples but he's really smart. They wanted Trent and they got Trent, very similar to the way we got Peterson. But you can believe that the REC is well educated and kept in check as much as reasonably possible. Plus Nick the Dick will always find creative ways to bend the rules enough to not put everything on the line for just one player.
Neither situation was anywhere near the level of the Cam Newton inducement, but there were definitely some "not so legal incentives" that lured the top player in Fla to LSU and Bama in back to back years.
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/30/12 at 10:27 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Boom bitch!
Kicking your ball out of the rough is cheating. Not signing your score card is a rules violation, hardly cheating.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 10:38 am to Cadello
Hey EZRULZ,
How does it help a school like LSU for you to air dirty laundry, regardless if unconfirmed or not? The definition of a fan in my book constitutes doing good not harm to your respective school.
How does it help a school like LSU for you to air dirty laundry, regardless if unconfirmed or not? The definition of a fan in my book constitutes doing good not harm to your respective school.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 10:42 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
I don't have any delusions. I know LSU is not "clean". I also don't care. That doesn't change the fact that breaking a rule is not necessarily "cheating". Kicking your ball out of the rough is cheating. Not signing your score card is a rules violation, hardly cheating.
cheat
verb (used without object)
to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
LINK
Posted on 4/30/12 at 10:43 am to tigerrecruiting
quote:Dude I been saying this for years...
How does it help a school like LSU for you to air dirty laundry, regardless if unconfirmed or not? The definition of a fan in my book constitutes doing good not harm to your respective school.
I think some of the fans here want LSU in trouble so they could say "I told you so"
Really moronic for any fan to do this if they truly love LSU.
~waits for the OT crowd to come here and say it doesn't affect anything~
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/30/12 at 2:25 pm to Cadello
Getting back on topic,
When do we hear the "recruiting is fluid and things change" hooplah from Gino today? There is no hints of anyone committing anywhere else except for him and we are nearing the end of the day, unless this kid is waiting until after school to do it.
When do we hear the "recruiting is fluid and things change" hooplah from Gino today? There is no hints of anyone committing anywhere else except for him and we are nearing the end of the day, unless this kid is waiting until after school to do it.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 2:27 pm to GeauxAggie972
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:27 pm to GeauxAggie972
I'll make a call
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:31 pm to RollTigers
quote:You and H-Town are both right to an extent IMO. All rules violations are technically, denotatively, dictionary-definition cheating. But in the vernacular, the word "cheating" also carries a connotation that there was an attempt to gain an advantage by deliberately breaking the rules, which does not appear to apply to most of LSU's infractions.
RollTigers
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:40 pm to GeauxAggie972
Same ole shite.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:12 pm to BozoBus
If you want to win without cheating then pick another sport you want to win in because it will not be college football. You cannot win big in college without breaking rules. Every schools does it to different degrees. Most fans only care about winning no matter the means of it. I am one of those people. If you can't beat them then join them. It's the way big time recruiting works for better or worse. Would I prefer things to be on the up and up? Of course but I'm not naive enough to believe it's possible. Used to be we could be clean with all the instate kids but even that has changed to a degree.
Why would I put out our dirty laundry more openly than it's already out? Take a read of all the inquiries that have been around LSU and you'll get the jest of part of our cheating. Do you really think our close relationship with Lyles was completely innocent? If so then was Oregon's, USC's, Cal's and Tennessee's? 2 of those schools have been caught redhanded in the Lyles' investigation and Cal suspended a coach because of it. USC's went away because Carroll left and they fired Garza for his involvement with Lyles. Is it really your stance that we are the only school of those mentioned with Lyles that didn't do anything wrong? C'mon. He was routinely on our campus during camp season. He wasn't there for his health. The Peterson stuff was out long before the Lyles' investigation took place as was the Dwayne Bowe and Ali Highsmith stuff. People in FL knew they were bought players but it's meaningless to know if it can't be proven. The Lyles' kids were rumored to have been gotten by dirty means for years before the investigation started. Did those names and rumors start from out of thin air? No, the info was out there but recruiting insiders did what they're supposed to do and kept the details out. Their jobs depend on them keeping the trade secrets.
Booster's are technically considered internal but there is a big difference in a coach encouraging a booster to do wrong and a rouge booster. There are a ton of rouge boosters out there that the school's have no clue are doing dirty stuff. Case in point was the Oklahoma booster that was paying kids for work they didn't perform. Oklahoma wasn't punished for that. The players were. Ohio St's whole case was because of a rogue booster and rogue players. Tressel's only wrong was lying. He didn't ask the booster to pay the players and was in the dark about it until he got the infamous email. If he had been upfront then OSU would have gotten off much easier. Did USC do dirty things that the staff knew was going on? Yes but they weren't punished for that. They were punished for rogue boosters and agents. Carroll never once recieved punishment for what went on at USC. He was mentioned but didn't get show caused like Tressel did. That's because they couldn't prove he had knowledge of the wrongdoing. If they could then he would've been show caused.
As far as blasting our rumored dirty deeds out publically, trust me if we know about it then the NCAA knows about it. That stuff doesn't come out by accident. Rival coaches and boosters are the ones that leak a great majority of the stuff that gets out. It's not the kids recieving extra benefits, it's the schools and fans that got shut out. Industry jealousy and betrayal by people that are just as or more dirty than the schools they inform about. The difference between knowing and proving is a huge one. The Cam Newton case is the bellcow for all that is right/wrong with cheating. Everyone knew that recruitment was dirty and yet nothing happened to either schools involved. It even got as far as the NCAA saying they believed that Cam's dad asked for money but couldn't prove that he got any. Proof is what matters not knowing. I can know you robbed the house next door but what good is knowing if no one can prove it? You'll get away with it. Proof matters and the NCAA doesn't have the ability(or desire) to prove most of the things they know. Most are a matter of law and the NCAA is not the law.
Why would I put out our dirty laundry more openly than it's already out? Take a read of all the inquiries that have been around LSU and you'll get the jest of part of our cheating. Do you really think our close relationship with Lyles was completely innocent? If so then was Oregon's, USC's, Cal's and Tennessee's? 2 of those schools have been caught redhanded in the Lyles' investigation and Cal suspended a coach because of it. USC's went away because Carroll left and they fired Garza for his involvement with Lyles. Is it really your stance that we are the only school of those mentioned with Lyles that didn't do anything wrong? C'mon. He was routinely on our campus during camp season. He wasn't there for his health. The Peterson stuff was out long before the Lyles' investigation took place as was the Dwayne Bowe and Ali Highsmith stuff. People in FL knew they were bought players but it's meaningless to know if it can't be proven. The Lyles' kids were rumored to have been gotten by dirty means for years before the investigation started. Did those names and rumors start from out of thin air? No, the info was out there but recruiting insiders did what they're supposed to do and kept the details out. Their jobs depend on them keeping the trade secrets.
Booster's are technically considered internal but there is a big difference in a coach encouraging a booster to do wrong and a rouge booster. There are a ton of rouge boosters out there that the school's have no clue are doing dirty stuff. Case in point was the Oklahoma booster that was paying kids for work they didn't perform. Oklahoma wasn't punished for that. The players were. Ohio St's whole case was because of a rogue booster and rogue players. Tressel's only wrong was lying. He didn't ask the booster to pay the players and was in the dark about it until he got the infamous email. If he had been upfront then OSU would have gotten off much easier. Did USC do dirty things that the staff knew was going on? Yes but they weren't punished for that. They were punished for rogue boosters and agents. Carroll never once recieved punishment for what went on at USC. He was mentioned but didn't get show caused like Tressel did. That's because they couldn't prove he had knowledge of the wrongdoing. If they could then he would've been show caused.
As far as blasting our rumored dirty deeds out publically, trust me if we know about it then the NCAA knows about it. That stuff doesn't come out by accident. Rival coaches and boosters are the ones that leak a great majority of the stuff that gets out. It's not the kids recieving extra benefits, it's the schools and fans that got shut out. Industry jealousy and betrayal by people that are just as or more dirty than the schools they inform about. The difference between knowing and proving is a huge one. The Cam Newton case is the bellcow for all that is right/wrong with cheating. Everyone knew that recruitment was dirty and yet nothing happened to either schools involved. It even got as far as the NCAA saying they believed that Cam's dad asked for money but couldn't prove that he got any. Proof is what matters not knowing. I can know you robbed the house next door but what good is knowing if no one can prove it? You'll get away with it. Proof matters and the NCAA doesn't have the ability(or desire) to prove most of the things they know. Most are a matter of law and the NCAA is not the law.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:59 pm to Gravitiger
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All rules violations are technically, denotatively, dictionary-definition cheating
Is pass interference or holding cheating? How about illegal motion?
quote:
But in the vernacular, the word "cheating" also carries a connotation that there was an attempt to gain an advantage by deliberately breaking the rules, which does not appear to apply to most of LSU's infractions.
Its hard to define cheating, but I know it when I see it. Fouling Shaq late in a the game is not cheating, even though its breaking rules to gain an advantage. Throwing water on the court, so an opposing player slips and turns the ball over is cheating. One is a ntural part of the game, the other is not.
As for NCAA rules violations. Why would someone cheat and then turn themselves in? Again, I'm not trying to say LSU is squeaking clean by any means. A rule was broken, the player never played, the school self reported and was punished. That's breaking a rule, not "cheating". If they were cheating, they would have lied about it and covered it up.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
Good call on the commit today, Gino.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:16 pm to LaBornNRaised
Yeah. I must agree with LaBorn and Raised. Gino is giving us decent info right now that's few and far between. Thanks G.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 6:42 pm to Kenyatta96
Anybody got any news?
Posted on 4/30/12 at 7:06 pm to LSU RAMPAGE24
so what happened to the supposed committment?
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