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re: Hill incident videotaped?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 11:57 am to Jon1798
Posted on 1/13/11 at 11:57 am to Jon1798
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And what if your 10 y/o little girl consented to it?
pre-pubescent girls are another ballgame
if there is THIS much difference in a 14 and 17 year old, there is TTTTTHHHHHIIIIIIIIISISSSSSSS much difference in a 10 year old and a 14 year old
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Posted on 1/13/11 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
ah gotcha. I wanna know what the "pressure" was. Now, he shouldn't have done it at all. But there's a huge difference between making up a lie about the girl or the pressure being that he'd hurt her...
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:02 pm to NukemVol
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If you guys truly don't believe a 14 year old is old enough to consent or be aware
The law is pretty firm on this and rightfully so. It is meant to protect young teenagers who do not have the same ability as an adult to reason and make abstract decisions about their lives. This is a medical and scientific fact. This is why it is not okay for 14 year olds to move out and live in their own apartment.
You, as a 25 year old "adult" should be able to understand this.
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they should not be in the same school as high schoolers.
Why? So she won't be able to tempt 18 year old adults who know better (or should know better) into raping her? Are you kidding? Why don't you advocate all teen girls wearing burkas and ban makeup while you're at it?
Jesus people, is it that unreasonable to expect 18 year old young men to know the difference between right and wrong? And if such a thing happens regularly at every high school, then we have failed our children as a society.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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pre-pubescent girls are another ballgame
if there is THIS much difference in a 14 and 17 year old, there is TTTTTHHHHHIIIIIIIIISISSSSSSS much difference in a 10 year old and a 14 year old
Girls hit puberty at all different ages, so is 12 ok? 13?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:02 pm to Elleshoe
and therein lies the rub on these cases
there is no defense
the law is written to where a girl can lie, cheat, and swindle her way into a guy's bed and he's still guilty
i understand the anecdotal evidence and horror theories, but the laws themselves are stupid, regardless of which person is accused of breaking them (and what school this person is affiliated with)
there is no defense
the law is written to where a girl can lie, cheat, and swindle her way into a guy's bed and he's still guilty
i understand the anecdotal evidence and horror theories, but the laws themselves are stupid, regardless of which person is accused of breaking them (and what school this person is affiliated with)
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:04 pm to Cussian
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It is meant to protect young teenagers who do not have the same ability as an adult to reason and make abstract decisions about their lives.
a 14 year old knows what he/she is doing
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This is why it is not okay for 14 year olds to move out and live in their own apartment.
you can judicially emancipate yourself at 14-15 in some cases, and i could have lived alone at this age (had i had a trade at the time)
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So she won't be able to tempt 18 year old adults who know better (or should know better) into raping her?
rape? seriously?
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Jesus people, is it that unreasonable to expect 18 year old young men to know the difference between right and wrong?
having sex with 14 year old girls isn't wrong everywhere, and is a moral concept developed in the past 50-60 years or so
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:05 pm to Jon1798
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Girls hit puberty at all different ages, so is 12 ok? 13?
i knew girls blowing guys when i was in 7th grade, and i knew of at least a handful fricking in 8th grade
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the laws themselves are stupid, regardless of which person is accused of breaking them
Its not the laws that are stupid. It is the people who enforce them. Some idiots take the stance that the law needs to be enforced exactly the same in all situations regardless of mitigating circumstances.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
lack of knowledge never being a defens is bullshite.
say the girl is working as a shot girl in a bar by using a fake ID. the guy spits some game and takes her home. He's still fricked (in every sense of the word)
say the girl is working as a shot girl in a bar by using a fake ID. the guy spits some game and takes her home. He's still fricked (in every sense of the word)
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:05 pm to Cussian
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Some idiots take the stance that the law needs to be enforced exactly the same in all situations regardless of mitigating circumstances.
that's the problem
with these laws, there aren't mitigating circumstances. the way the law is written, this is removed completely
that's why it is a bullshite law
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i knew girls blowing guys when i was in 7th grade, and i knew of at least a handful fricking in 8th grade
So does that make it ok for an 18 y/o guy to pursue a 12 or 13 y/o girl? I'm trying to understand your logic. You knew a girl in 7th grade who did a BJ, so you now think it is ok for all 18 y/o adults to have sex with 12, 13, 14 y/o's? Where do you draw the line?
Want to make any bets that JHill knew where the line was?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a 14 year old knows what he/she is doing
but doesn't have the same ability to reason out the consequences as an adult. You conveniently left out that part of my quote.
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you can judicially emancipate yourself at 14-15 in some cases, and i could have lived alone at this age (had i had a trade at the time)
only under very rare circumstances and a judge has to approve, and someone has to check in on you regularly. It's not real independence
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rape? seriously?
statutory rape is very serious
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having sex with 14 year old girls isn't wrong everywhere, and is a moral concept developed in the past 50-60 years or so
but Jeremy Hill lives in America right now. whats your point?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:10 pm to Jon1798
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You knew a girl in 7th grade who did a BJ, so you now think it is ok for all 18 y/o adults to have sex with 12, 13, 14 y/o's?
these girls were having sexual acts with boys their own age
what age do you think the boy has to be to be illegal?
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Where do you draw the line?
where do you draw the line?
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:12 pm to Cussian
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but doesn't have the same ability to reason out the consequences as an adult
this is completely relative
i had a better understanding of my actions at 14 than most adults i know today
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statutory rape is very serious
it's not real rape, and LA laws call it carnal knowledge anyway
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but Jeremy Hill lives in America right now. whats your point?
my point is you can't bring morality into this b/c that is a very, very recent moral development
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
For the most part I don't disagree with the law written except for the lack of knowedge not being a defense part.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You knew a girl in 7th grade who did a BJ, so you now think it is ok for all 18 y/o adults to have sex with 12, 13, 14 y/o's?
these girls were having sexual acts with boys their own age
what age do you think the boy has to be to be illegal?
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Where do you draw the line?
where do you draw the line?
Way before two 18 y/o's having a 14 y/o perform oral sex in a bathroom while video taped. But I didn't think that really had to be questioned.
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
The laws are meant to protect people and the system allows flexibility in how they are enforced. Some judges and prosecutors don't understand this and that is when you get horror stories as mentioned earlier in the thread.
BUT in this case, JH was definitely in the wrong, no matter how you slice it
BUT in this case, JH was definitely in the wrong, no matter how you slice it
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:13 pm to Elleshoe
every person is different
people are at different levels at different ages
people are at different levels at different ages
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:14 pm to Cussian
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Some judges and prosecutors don't understand this
it's a legislative problem. it shouldn't be left to these parties. justice should be blind
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BUT in this case, JH was definitely in the wrong, no matter how you slice it
i don't believe it, unless he forced her
her parents are in the wrong, if anyone
*ETA: this is assuming she hasn't been molested before. then that person is likely to be blamed
This post was edited on 1/13/11 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 1/13/11 at 12:15 pm to Cussian
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i don't believe it, unless he forced her
her parents are in the wrong, if anyone
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