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re: Assuming 10 more scholarships left
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:53 pm to jray
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:53 pm to jray
I saw Jenkins play his SR year in HS. My brother and I went to a game against one of the Planos I think. Our appraisal was the same...great speed as he almost blocked a couple of PATs. Plano avoided his side of the field like the plague when passing and they passed a bunch, BUT the guy did NOT like to tackle. We laughed as how he basically just locked on a blocker and never even tried to get free. Soooo, he DID occupy a blocker but most guys would have tried to make a tackle...he didn't. He played small for his size in that regard. And he was their sometimes return guy and was disappointed on the opening kickoff they kicked it short and it bounded over his head into the end zone. I would have liked to have seen him in the open field.
On the numbers, my understanding is this...maximum 85 on scholarship at any time. They have cut back oversigning to basically 0 in the SEC. You must have scholarships available and no waiting on test scores....if the guy doesn't make it academically, you just lost a spot in that signing class UNTIL the next signing class when I believe you still can go back to last year's class IF it doesn't violate the 85 limit AND you have space AND the guy enrolls early (January semester) since that is almost like he was in the previous year's class and took a greyshirt. My guess is you are right that LSU probably can sign 26 to 28 because I believe LSU signed 23 - 1 for Liggins so only 22 ended up at LSU. Thus, if the 85 limit is not being violated, I believe they can pick up those spaces from last season IF they enroll some players early (January) in the upcoming 2013 signing class.
On the numbers, my understanding is this...maximum 85 on scholarship at any time. They have cut back oversigning to basically 0 in the SEC. You must have scholarships available and no waiting on test scores....if the guy doesn't make it academically, you just lost a spot in that signing class UNTIL the next signing class when I believe you still can go back to last year's class IF it doesn't violate the 85 limit AND you have space AND the guy enrolls early (January semester) since that is almost like he was in the previous year's class and took a greyshirt. My guess is you are right that LSU probably can sign 26 to 28 because I believe LSU signed 23 - 1 for Liggins so only 22 ended up at LSU. Thus, if the 85 limit is not being violated, I believe they can pick up those spaces from last season IF they enroll some players early (January) in the upcoming 2013 signing class.
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Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:05 pm to Milesthebest
9-10 spots
Prevot
Williams
Gilmore
Pagano
Jones
Beckwith
Jefferson
Smith
Robinson
Prevot
Williams
Gilmore
Pagano
Jones
Beckwith
Jefferson
Smith
Robinson
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:05 pm to Milesthebest
quote:
I would hope LSU would get another OL which could be Lawson who is already committed.
Lawson is needed on the D-Line, even if we get 2 more DT commits. Our O line is probably the deepest in the country, plus were getting 3-4 guys this year and in good standing for 2 of the best OT's in the 2014 class.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:14 pm to whodidthat
quote:
Lawson is needed on the D-Line, even if we get 2 more DT commits. Our O line is probably the deepest in the country, plus were getting 3-4 guys this year and in good standing for 2 of the best OT's in the 2014 class.
Once again, most of that OL depth has never taken a college snap....I thank Studrawa for that.
And some of the others like Davenport for example has hardly proven himself in years at LSU...hardly the 5*/high 4* he was rated as. Plus, IF the juniors/RS SO are good, you have to assume you might lose them in the NFL draft. Right now, LSU only has 3 OL committed {excluding Lawson for DT}. Of course, he should have some say in whether he gets moved, but LSU is in much better shape DL wise in the recruiting pool this year than OL. And I still look at LSU's attrition history. LSU doesn't seem to lose DL, but they seem to lose OL at an alarming rate due to transfers. Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:23 pm to sunnydaze
quote:
9-10 spots
Prevot...Williams....Gilmore....Pagano...Jones
Beckwith...Jefferson....Smith....
Robinson
Tough call...obviously the players you have are great, but 0 OL, 0 RB, 0 kicker, 0 safety. You have either 5 more DL or 2 more LBers depending on where Beckwith would be counted. LSU only needs 1 LBer IMO (Jones that you have) or at most only 4 more DL (IF you keep Lawson on DL that makes 7 total). You did only put down 9 so I think you could add 1 more at least, but I definitely thinks LSU needs another safety (maybe a Willis from AZ) and another OL (either Lawson moved or some other commit) and I'm a kicker fanatic after seeing year after year what happens when you don't have one...NOT at LSU because Miles doesn't let that happen, but little Nicky is darn lucky to have won the NC with a piss poor kicking game. It cost him the first LSU game and could have cost him the 2nd LSU game had LSU been competitive at all.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:39 pm to Milesthebest
We have 3 OL commited and we took 4 in the 2012 class. Our entire 2nd unit is Rfr.
We don't need a RB in this class IMO and I honestly think Magee should redshirt, definitely should not have wasted him last yr
I know we're bringing in a preferred walk on kicker so that's that. I agree with safety though, but outside of goodman, I don't even see one with interest in us
We don't need a RB in this class IMO and I honestly think Magee should redshirt, definitely should not have wasted him last yr
I know we're bringing in a preferred walk on kicker so that's that. I agree with safety though, but outside of goodman, I don't even see one with interest in us
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:42 pm to sunnydaze
No RSJ?
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:47 pm to Cadello
I reserved 1 spot, I really don't think he leaves Texas though
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:48 pm to sunnydaze
Miles always pulls at least 1 rabbit out of the hat..
I hope it's him
I hope it's him
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:50 pm to Cadello
Now without kyrion and maybe no Avery, RSJ is a must
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:54 pm to Cadello
quote:
We have 3 OL commited and we took 4 in the 2012 class. Our entire 2nd unit is Rfr.
We don't need a RB in this class IMO and I honestly think Magee should redshirt, definitely should not have wasted him last yr
I know we're bringing in a preferred walk on kicker so that's that. I agree with safety though, but outside of goodman, I don't even see one with interest in us
Depends on what depth chart you are talking about but I just looked at 2 and Porter is a SO, Davenport is a JR, Washington is a SO, Dworacyzk is a SR, Fanaika is a JR. There are some RS FR as 2nd stringers but not a majority. A majority could leave for the NFL draft at the end of 2012. I agree that Magee didn't get his carries but wasted assumes he is something special...not sure about that. He looked pretty ordinary to me for a major college football backup. Goodman is one safety, Redman is another, and there is a 3rd guy...not saying LSU is in the lead but will probably get visits from all 3. I did see some services listing Diarse as a safety and Willis I mentioned as a safety is listed as a CB, but actually he is bigger than his friend Goodman is. So there are safeties out there with interest in LSU if they want 1 more.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:55 pm to LSU Nguyener
quote:NOt a must, but a definite improvement over those 2 IMO.
Now without kyrion and maybe no Avery, RSJ is a must
LSU still has decent WR's and a few coming in.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:59 pm to Milesthebest
I surely hope that LSU doesn't sign 5 WRs (Baker, Leslie, Diarse if he plays WR, RSJ, and Jefferson if they could get both of them). That is way too many WRs especially at a team like LSU who doesn't run the spread and uses 1 or 2 TEs on most plays. I'm assuming T White will be a CB.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:01 am to LSU Nguyener
No Avery?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:02 am to Milesthebest
Williford
Collins
Hurst(may leave)
Fenoka(sp)
Turner
Alexander
Washington
Davenport
Porter
Austin
White
Edinburgh
Hawkins
Pocic
Boutte
Malone
Again, I think we're fine there.
Collins
Hurst(may leave)
Fenoka(sp)
Turner
Alexander
Washington
Davenport
Porter
Austin
White
Edinburgh
Hawkins
Pocic
Boutte
Malone
Again, I think we're fine there.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:04 am to Cadello
quote:
NOt a must, but a definite improvement over those 2 IMO. LSU still has decent WR's and a few coming in.
I'm not a huge worrier about WR. The pros seem to be able to find them hanging off of trees and college isn't that hard to find good ones either. Plus, if you have WRs and you don't have the right type of QB, well we know how that goes. College football games are won in the trenches not by WRs. Alabama had very ordinary WRs last season at best and they won the NC. Arkansas had great WRs last season and a great QB and got blown out by LSU and Alabama and could have easily lost the KSU bowl game. I feel very comfortable with Beckham and Landry for at least a couple more years. Add Dural and Avery Johnson assuming he qualified and LSU is fine at WR.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:10 am to Milesthebest
quote:
Once again, most of that OL depth has never taken a college snap
Neither has Lawson or any of the other recruits were going after, what makes you think they'll be better.
quote:
And some of the others like Davenport for example has hardly proven himself in years at LSU
He's been the backup LT for a reason. He'll get a starting spot somewhere on the O Line after this year.
quote:
Of course, he should have some say in whether he gets moved, but LSU is in much better shape DL wise in the recruiting pool this year than OL.
Our head coach and offensive coordinator are both former offensive linemen. They coach each player to play multiple positions on the line and they do a great job recruiting. Even if we lose 5 offensive linemen this year, we will still have more solid prospects on the O-line, than the D line
IMO after this year the depth chart will be close to this, some variations
LT- La'el Collins- Derek Edinburgh, Ethan Pocic
LG- Chris Davenport- Trai Turner, Jonah Austin
C- Elliot Porter- Corey White, Karl Jr
RG- Fehoko Fanaika, Corey White, Josh Boutte
RT- Greg Robinson, Evan Washington, Jerald Hawkins
Potential wise that's a solid three deep. Most haven't played much, but for a good reason. White, Austin, and Turner redshirted last year. Davenport played behind one of the best linemen in the country. Washington got hurt but he's one of the most athletic players on the O-Line and he might start over Robinson. Most of these guys have more experience than any recruit were looking at.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:14 am to whodidthat
quote:
RT- Greg Robinson
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:14 am to sunnydaze
On the Marina OL topic, I just listed 11 guys (don't remember Clay Spencer's status) that within 4 years left LSU and hardly played 1 down for LSU. So out of your impressive list, let's see what happens when 3 of them aren't there anymore and not related to the NFL draft.
Ainsworth - quit for personal reasons?
Lowe - transferred
J Jones - transferred
McCoy - transferred
Allen - transferred
Loadholt - couldn't qualify in the SEC
Singleton - transferred
Synder - career ending injury I think
Thomas - arrested
Hagans - left for some reason?
Parsons - transferred I think
I went back a couple of years and took 4 years before that because the younger players haven't had time to get homesick yet, get frustrated with Studrawa and playing time yet, etc. In 4 years of recruiting classes not even signing heavily OL, LSU lost 11 or 12 OL (depending on Spencer who I'm drawing a blank on).
Ainsworth - quit for personal reasons?
Lowe - transferred
J Jones - transferred
McCoy - transferred
Allen - transferred
Loadholt - couldn't qualify in the SEC
Singleton - transferred
Synder - career ending injury I think
Thomas - arrested
Hagans - left for some reason?
Parsons - transferred I think
I went back a couple of years and took 4 years before that because the younger players haven't had time to get homesick yet, get frustrated with Studrawa and playing time yet, etc. In 4 years of recruiting classes not even signing heavily OL, LSU lost 11 or 12 OL (depending on Spencer who I'm drawing a blank on).
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:16 am to Milesthebest
Most of those guys were passed by better players, what would taking 1 more OL solve anyway?
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