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re: According to rivals, Anthony Johnson to Tenn

Posted on 5/8/09 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 6:55 pm to
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He has more pep in his step than Chavis had in the last 10 years.
will he stay alive/lucid long enough to teach bebe the cover 2 defense?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 6:57 pm to
The ultimate irony is that Tennessee fans like to make fun of Chavis for using Slade's Mustang package while talking about how Monte is going to invigorate the defense. I guess they aren't too familiar with what the Cover 2 really is.
Posted by Vol92
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:03 pm to
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The ultimate irony is that Tennessee fans like to make fun of Chavis for using Slade's Mustang package while talking about how Monte is going to invigorate the defense. I guess they aren't too familiar with what the Cover 2 really is.



The ultimate irony is LSU fans that think they know more about Chavis and how he coaches over UT fans, who watched him work for over 15 years.

Slade's Mustang package

That is a Chavis invention, just like his prowler package. Slade didn't come up with that crap, Chavis was the DC and ran the show.

I'm not dogging him either, he is a good coach, but you'll see soon enough why UT fans say the things we do.

You'd think the 2001 SECCG would be enough to open your eyes, considering the pathetic coaching job by Chavis in that game. With more talent on D on that team than he'll ever have at LSU.
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:07 pm to
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You'd think the 2001 SECCG would be enough to open your eyes,
Actually if you hadn't cheap shotted rohan out of that game you likely would have won it.
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:07 pm to
wait, so UT is going to be great on D next year because you were #3 in defense last year but we are going to hate Chavis because he sucks so much? Yall are really making sense.

And did Chavis make UT rush for 50 yards and fumble twice in that SECCG?

Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:08 pm to
Very nice way to evade the most important part of my post. How exactly is the Tampa 2 any different philosophically?
Posted by Vol92
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:16 pm to
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Very nice way to evade the most important part of my post. How exactly is the Tampa 2 any different philosophically?


The Tampa 2 is predicated on CBs playing a tight zone within the first 10 yards (this means playing press coverage, which Chavis doesn't do) when a receiver leaves that basic 10 yard area the CB releases the WR to the safety and covers his zone or moves in to stop the run.

Its also predicated on the MLB dropping back in to zone and covering the deep middle/other responsibilities in certain play-calls.

Chavis played a soft zone with his DBs, never pressing and keeping his CBs 5-10 yards off the ball and puts his safeties in a DEEP zone coverage. He would also take out a LB and replace him with a DB (mustang package) and keep them in a soft zone that never worked. It was basically a prevent defense that killed us over and over. This is why teams were able to dink and dunk down the field on us for the better part of a decade.

Go watch the 2nd half of last season's UCLA game, it was an absolute embarrassment. Chavis didn't change his gameplan one-bit and let a pathetic QB who couldnt throw the ball farther than 20 yards dink and dunk down the field drive after drive.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 7:18 pm
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:19 pm to
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You'd think the 2001 SECCG would be enough to open your eyes, considering the pathetic coaching job by Chavis in that game. With more talent on D on that team than he'll ever have at LSU.


You sir are Delusional, and thus why you can not be taken serious

Louisiana produces way more NFL talent than the state of Tennessee... so your logic is flawed,

Maybe LSU just has and had better players than your team?
Posted by Vol92
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:24 pm to
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You sir are Delusional, and thus why you can not be taken serious

Louisiana produces way more NFL talent than the state of Tennessee... so your logic is flawed,

Maybe LSU just has and had better players than your team?


What does what state produces more talent have to do with anything?

We cherry-picked whoever we wanted from wherever we wanted in those days. I'm not crazy for saying LSU will not have the defensive talent that our 01 team had, while Chavis is there.Because you probably won't, that's not to say you don't have amazingly talented defensive players, you just won't have a unit that matches our 01 team.

6/8 of our 2 deep on the DL from the 01 squad were drafted.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 7:25 pm
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:28 pm to
so the loss had nothing to do with Stallworth fumbling or Stephens fumbling or no rushing attack but all Chavis' fault?

Just like last year was all on your great defensive talent since Chavis plays nothing but prevent, right? Monte should be able to keep opposing teams shutout each game with that talent under his greatest defensive scheme of all time, correct?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:30 pm to
Chavis and Kiffin's defenses both fit into the "bend but don't break" format. You won't be seeing aggressive play from the corners at least beyond the first down marker, the way you would in a Saban defense.

It's also important to realize that Ron Cooper is the secondary coach here, and he is a big name. He will definitely have a strong influence on the team's defensive philosophy, and I've always liked the way South Carolina's DBs have looked.
Posted by Vol92
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:34 pm to
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Chavis and Kiffin's defenses both fit into the "bend but don't break" format. You won't be seeing aggressive play from the corners at least beyond the first down marker, the way you would in a Saban defense.

It's also important to realize that Ron Cooper is the secondary coach here, and he is a big name. He will definitely have a strong influence on the team's defensive philosophy, and I've always liked the way South Carolina's DBs have looked.


He will do what Chavis tells him to do...

because that is his job
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:34 pm to
While I agree to a extent with what you said, as I still remember that d-line Tenn had. But to say LSU will never have as much talent as that is ludicrous.

I didn't like the Chavis hire at first because I've seen some boneheaded shite hes done over the years but I eventually warmed up to it. Makes me feel a lot better he had such a highly rated defense on a absolutely HORRIBLE offensive team last year. Constantly were in bad positions and constantly on the field, yet still rated high.

I was under the impression he was far past his prime as DC until last year's defense.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 7:35 pm
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:35 pm to
I seriously doubt that we are paying one of the premier DB coaches 300k/year for 3 years just to be a lackey.
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:39 pm to
I like the Cooper hire but one thing I didn't like about Miles hiring, is he didn't get great coaches with being great recruiters. Its already showing with Johnson committing. I still don't understand the hiring of this douchebag they got as recruiting coordinator now, I never even heard of him. He could hire any sorry bastard to coach TEs, especially since Miles has coached TEs before. At least get someone who is a knockout recruiter as your RC...
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 7:40 pm
Posted by Vol92
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:40 pm to
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so the loss had nothing to do with Stallworth fumbling or Stephens fumbling or no rushing attack but all Chavis' fault?

Just like last year was all on your great defensive talent since Chavis plays nothing but prevent, right? Monte should be able to keep opposing teams shutout each game with that talent under his greatest defensive scheme of all time, correct?


Man that is a lot of hyperbole...

Where did I say it was all Chavis' fault? The whole staff was putrid in that game, that doesn't change the fact that his coaching in that game was pathetic. Just giving an example that I'm sure all LSU fans have seen.

Where did I say Chavis plays nothing but prevent, or that Kiffin has the greatest scheme of all time?

He is a good coach that put together a defense that led us to a NC, but you too will soon see the flaws of his scheme. The honeymoon won't last forever, just wait til you experience 3rd and Chavis, because of his soft zone coverages.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:43 pm to
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still don't understand the hiring of this douchebag they got as recruiting coordinator now, I never even heard of him. He could hire any sorry bastard to coach TEs, especially since Miles has coached TEs before. At least get someone who is a knockout recruiter as your RC...


Yeah, that was the one hire I didn't understand. He was apart of the Carl Franks regime at Duke, which was one of the most disorganized and unprofessional set of coaches in college football.

I like all of the defensive guys, and I think Brick and Cooper will do some solid recruiting, even if they can't pull prospects like Frank Wilson and O. Of course, while O got Janzen, he also completely blew the team's chances at getting the best player in Tennessee as well.
Posted by Domination
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:45 pm to
One thing I will have to hand to Miles is that he is hella recruiter. Maybe he feels that he can more than compensate for Chavis' lack of recruiting? Time will tell
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:47 pm to
All the staffs in the SEC are getting better recruiters, while LSU took a step back there. God help us if DJ or Porter leave...

In all honesty, I'm not really impressed with the guys we have committed right now, safe from two or three. Last year, at this point, we definitely had much more talented commitments. At least on film they were. That might have a lot to do with these new guys jumping on board and evaluating talent and thinking they're still at SC/BC/MSU...we're LSU, we need to go at the elite talent.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 7:49 pm
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:47 pm to
The one potential problem is that all of the ace recruiters are on offense: DJ McCarthy (Receivers), Larry Porter (RBs), and Les. However, Brick was clutch in getting Sam Montgomery last year, and Cooper signed 4 or 5 guys in South Carolina most years.
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