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A Few Observations and How it Ties Into Recruiting

Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:24 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:24 pm
With the recent dismantlings of LSU's defense, I think we will be able to take a few major things from it as far as recruiting is concerned.

The guys we thought would be studs from the '08 class are--specifically--Patrick Peterson. He is on another level both physically and athletically than any TRUE FRESHMAN DB I have ever seen. He is on par with Eric Berry who could be a first round draft pick this year as a true sophomore if he were allowed to leave (but he can't). PP had the best game of his career today -- great coverage on AJ Green when they were one on one, great tackle on Knowshon (when he got stiff armed) and another great play when he blew up the WR screen.

Ryan Baker still makes the most of his opportunities. The guy is all over the field on special teams. I think everyone is looking forward to him getting a shot at WLB next year. I'm hoping his size doesn't become an inhibiting factor, but he does add an element of speed at LB that we are certainly missing at this point.

Karnell Hatcher has surprised many LSU fans. I can honestly say he was my "sleeper" of the 2008 class, but even I am surprised he was not redshirted and is seeing the amount of PT as he is this year. As long as he plays his appropriate position (SS), I think he will be fine. If he is forced into a Nickelback/FS position he is destined to fail--think Danny McCray part #2.

I was VERY impressed by something small Hatcher did today in the game (I doubt many others noticed). He was forced into playing FS when Taylor went out with an injury. He knew he did not have the great "speed" to cover so he would line up in the normal position and then backup another 3-5 yards to give himself a little extra time to make a play. If he did this on his own then thats a great observation by a true freshman. Rather than getting burned deep at a position he is unfamiliar with he made an adjustment -- A++ job.

Deangelo Peterson is going to be the next stud WR -- just look at him.

It's good to see the 08 class making a positive contribution on that side of the ball.

Now onto the 2009 recruiting...

It's obvious we need speed on defense. Our safeties are more like LBs. (Coleman was originally a LB coming out of high school). Our LB's don't have the speed to stay with the play laterally and luckily Alem has emerged as a speed rusher off the end.

Craig Loston will step into a PRIME situation if/when he comes to LSU. We have not needed a pure bread FS this bad in a while. His combination of speed, coverage ability, and physicalness is what we all dream about in a FS. I am hoping we have the next Eric Berry b/c we sure could use the help at FS (Taylor's gone after this year...who plays FS after him? Everyone that comes to mind should play SS, not FS).

Janzen Jackson will have to compete against a plethora of other big time CB/NB recruits/players for the NB spot next year, but he offers a great blend of a Safety/CB like the coaches seem to be looking for.

We are moving more and more towards an 'express' package. It looks like this was designed for Mingo and Brokers coming off the edge. I know Mingo wants to play OLB, but he could be a stud coming off the edge, in a position where speed is needed.

I could continue through the rest of the positions/players but the ramble would never end.

In the end, opportunity is EVERYWHERE on defense. Only a few players have impressed enough to not have to worry about losing their positions (Peterson, imagine him next year with another year of experience, RJF, Charles Alexander, if granted another year of eligibility, are 3 that come to mind).

Thoughts?
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:41 pm to
thank you for the only logical post of the night. i love to see the possiblites of this team next year and for years to come. I do agree that we are kinda moving towards the express package look because more teams are running the spread type offenses and the really big dt's aren't as effective. i still like my big run stopping dt's and don't think we will ever be lacking in that department at lsu. I know are lb's are "slow" but we do need some more athletic ryan baker types
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
58333 posts
Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:42 pm to
posts like this are why i come to this board. props to you linxcat!

i agree with all the PP stuff. dude is something special right now.
do you see chad jones staying at S or moving to LB? had that discussion after that TD he gave up.
Posted by MSG
B.R.
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:45 pm to
Very well said.... I agree with everything you said.... safety is a big need IMHO. Ryan baker has impressed me very much on special teams but I dont think he will ever line up at LB'er. He's small but then again he has a nose for the ball... shite I dont know, he may start next week.
Posted by TigerBait45
Moreauville, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
1725 posts
Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:51 pm to
Ryan Baker will eventually crack the lineup, and once he does I don't think he'll leave it until he's in the NFL.

He is a serious talent..you'd think his size would hold him back a bit, but you see a lot of small linebackers in the SEC.
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21115 posts
Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:52 pm to
quote:

Thoughts?

great observations, but you just made me concerned even more at the LB position.

Got to close well there, imo.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 10/25/08 at 11:57 pm to
Thanks guys, just trying to share another perspective.

In all honesty, I am dumbfounded by Chad Jones this year. The guy was a physical specimen his true freshman year. He stood out like PP does, yet now he blends into the field and rarely makes a noticeable play.

In his defense, he had pretty good coverage on the TD catch today. The WR made a great play. He got his arm in there, but wasn't able to break it up.

I have always been against putting CJ at WLB/SLB, but I am beginning to change tones. His pass coverage is fairly weak overall (against a 3rd/4th WR) and we are LOADED at CB/NB.

Tons of guys can play his 'rover' position which is more like a NB/LB hybrid. I could see Loston playing his 'rover' spot next year as a true freshman (yes, Loston may be good enough to step right in and play -- he also is physically big enough to play that NB hybrid (I doubt Loston is a 4 year starter at FS, so getting him on the field at NB isn't a bad idea)).

We need more speed at LB and CJ can definitely add that to the LBing corp.

The problem occurs at safety, which I am honestly extremely concerned with. I just don't see the personnel at safety for us to compete with the spread formations.

If CJ moves to LB, then who plays FS (most people assume he will play there next year?). Danny McCray definitely shouldn't -- he has been misused his entire career.

Hatcher, Francois, Loston, Coleman, McCray, Janzen Jackson? Thats all we have next year if CJ moves to LB. Coleman will play SS (he should move to LB if anyone...I think he is the major hole in the secondary b/c of lack of speed). FS would be a free for all -- I'd think Loston would be the best fit, but I doubt a true freshman starts.

Like I said...safety concerns me.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:07 am to
quote:

great observations, but you just made me concerned even more at the LB position.


I have faith that we will close well at LB.

In all honesty, LB does not bother me as much as other positions-- mainly because we almost always only have 2 on the field.

If (and that may be a big if) Bakers size doesn't inhibit him, then he's set as the WLB for the next few years. I think he will at least be given the opportunity, so we shall see in the near future.

Minter will be a solid MLB. I don't expect him to be "all-world" like so many Tiger fans expect, but I think he will be a solid MLB for us.

I don't expect Prater to ever contribute.

Not sure about Theriot -- speed? If he's a Jacob Cutera part #2 then he won't play.

Willie Ferrell won't be a part of the 2009 class.

Kelvin Sheppard -- This is where I will probably disagree with some of you. I see LOADS of potential here. Have you noticed this guys frame? He looks like a freak in pads, not to mention, he is only a RS SO. He is still young so I am expecting him to surprise some people. Maybe add a little weight to him and move him to MLB allowing baker to take his WLB position? (I don't know where that leaves P. Riley, but he'll be a senior ext season...I guess stay at SLB).

Mingo -- he won't play for 2-3 years; too early to consider him.

It is amazing...Jelani Jenkins could possibly START for LSU next year at LB. I don't see how he cannot SERIOUSLY consider us with that opportunity. He would start from day 1 at LSU of all places.

LB is pretty weak area, with almost no depth after further evaluation...


Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21115 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:13 am to
yeah, I'm going to disagree with you (for now) on KS. He's playing like a highschooler still thinking he can rely on talent alone. From what I've seen, his pursuit is not where it should be and he is scared to hit the hole
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
15819 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:13 am to
I disagree with your first post about who's jobs are secure. I think Peterson and Riley are the only good ones. RJF and Alexander aren't doing anything this year.

I'd realy like to see Loston start for 4 years like Laron did
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:16 am to
quote:

I disagree with your first post about who's jobs are secure. I think Peterson and Riley are the only good ones. RJF and Alexander aren't doing anything this year.


RJF is a future first day draft pick and Alexander will make an NFL team as well...I think their positions are locked up at DTs. Drake Nevis is the only person that could push to take one of their positions next year and I just don't see him overtaking them. (If you want a bright spot on the DL, then look no further than Drake Nevis...the next Dorsey.)

Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21115 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:18 am to
alexander shouldn't be playing. He has no legs.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:19 am to
quote:

yeah, I'm going to disagree with you (for now) on KS. He's playing like a highschooler still thinking he can rely on talent alone. From what I've seen, his pursuit is not where it should be and he is scared to hit the hole


I agree completely. He hasn't done anything as of now, but I see potential all over the place with him. He is one of the most physically imposing guys (and still has room to improve) we put on the field as only a RS SO. Hes got another two years -- most people forget he's still fairly young.

But yes, if he does not improve the mental part of the game then he can sit on the bench for all I am concerned.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:20 am to
quote:

alexander shouldn't be playing. He has no legs.


He hasn't done much/anything this year. I wouldn't hate it if Nevis was moved into the starting rotation, but I see that as being doubtful at best.
Posted by cepheid
kenner, la
Member since Feb 2007
1638 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:42 am to
someone like sentimore should move up our recruiting list with the advent of the express package and more emphasis on speed from the DT position
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21115 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:43 am to
downs
Posted by cepheid
kenner, la
Member since Feb 2007
1638 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:49 am to
downs > sentimore? i guess the coaching staff feels he is.
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21115 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:49 am to
just saying he is fast
Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:53 am to
Davenport?
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
71773 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 2:12 am to
Patrick Peterson is unreal good. His coverage skills at such a young age (true freshman) is amazing. I'm Highly IMPRESSED not only by his man coverage, but his tackling..
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