Can admins please delete all LucasP's post in this thread

Thanks lucas. Got anchored on the account of your dumbass.

Could have been a good thread and maybe helped someone

What's your alternative? What worked for your loved one after didn't?

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I just love that someone who isnt sober, never been sober, and isnt trying to get sober is telling others how shitty of a program AA is

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So having never gone through cancer or bipolar disorder, I can't objectively say that chemo or lithium is a good treatment? That's retarded.

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few million people disagree

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More would agree. Like a lot more.

But like I said, I'll stay out of a pro aa thread if you start one. I had shite to say and I said it.

Hope we're cool despite the deep disagreement.

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A few million people disagree. There arent many things that get stronger and bigger for 79 straight years

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Maybe China. Should we all go communist? 1.35 billion people can't be wrong!

statistical study on AA effectiveness
I understand that it may work for some, but scientifcally, it isn't a great option.

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More would agree. Like a lot more

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Stats?

You can't claim bullshite studies based on an anonymous group then counter with "like a lot more."

Numbers?

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Do you have something that works better?

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the second link listed 48 tested therapies. AA ranked 38th.

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You understand the inherent flaws with any study associated with a group of anonymous people?

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do you understand that every scientific study that includes human subjects is anonymous? Why should this one be different?

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It's strange that people want to debunk the program, yet they offer no alternative.

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see above. I even stated that I know it works for some... just maybe it isn't the best.

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There were no less than 8 people in a room of 30 last night that have stayed sober and happy for over 20 years.

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Great for them. My folks have been sober for >20 years and have used the program. However, it isn't the ONLY way to get sober, and lots of studies indicate it isn't the BEST way either.

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Spirit of Dunson

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the second link listed 48 tested therapies. AA ranked 38th.

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Sorry buddy, but I have met more people that are in recovery through AA than any of the other non-substantiated therapies on that list.

The fact is there are no good numbers on any of these programs.

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My folks have been sober for >20 years and have used the program.However, it isn't the ONLY way to get sober

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Never said it was. I just said, despite the "studies that say it is 2% effective or whatever, there are a lot of people that could not get sober, but are now, with the help of AA.

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just maybe it isn't the best

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So what is the best? You have experience with AA helping your parents. Do you have experience with another method working better? If so I'd like to try it. The guy that made coffee last night fricked it all up. I'd love an alternative.

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Acomprosate is nearly 100% effective to keep people from drinking...IF they take it.

How does that relate to working the AA program? I

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it works if you work it.

Look. I obviously struck a nerve. I am sorry. I'll admit it. AA is the BEST way to beat alcoholism. Every other method that has worked for others is complete bullshite.

I'm just posting to support Spirit of Dunson. He is a very bright guy, and I have never known him to post bullshite.

Moreover, he's not just posting his opinion or anecdotal information.

Some folks would do well to at least hear him out.

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I really just don't understand the motivation to shite on AA. I'm not sitting here taking a shite on other methods, or claiming that they don't work. I just don't get the hostility.

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Spirit of Dunson posted this:

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statistical study on AA effectiveness
I understand that it may work for some, but scientifcally, it isn't a great option.

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I even stated that I know it works for some... just maybe it isn't the best.

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Great for them. My folks have been sober for >20 years and have used the program. However, it isn't the ONLY way to get sober, and lots of studies indicate it isn't the BEST way either.

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I really just don't understand the motivation to say that Spirit of Dunson is shitting on AA. He's not sitting there taking a shite on AA, or claiming that it doesn't work. I just don't get why you think he's being hostile.