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Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:04 am to
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14206 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:04 am to
Easily top 10 dumbest post I’ve read on the health/fitness board.
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
624 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:06 pm to
What is dumb about that post? ChatGPT seems to find it plausible.
quote:

Vaccine Pay-for-Performance: Key Facts for Parents

What it is: Insurers (private and Medicaid) offer financial incentives to pediatricians for meeting vaccine benchmarks—such as full immunization by age 2 or high flu vaccine rates.

Typical bonus amount: $50–$400 per fully vaccinated child, depending on insurer and program.

Performance metrics: Common measures include completion of the CDC-recommended vaccine schedule by age 2 and annual flu vaccine uptake.

Pediatric practice example:

10-doctor practice, ~1,500 patients per doctor = 15,000 total patients.

~7,500 are under age 2 or in the vaccine-target group.

If 90% are fully vaccinated and the incentive is $200 per child:

Bonus = 6,750 children × $200 = $1.35 million annually.

Proportion of income:

Pediatric practice revenue typically ranges $5–8 million/year for 10 doctors.

Vaccine-related bonuses could represent 15–25% of total revenue, depending on the program and population served.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14206 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 5:02 am to
Because none of what you copy/pasted from ChatGPT takes into account costs. Pediatricians don’t earn their living from vaccines and it’s ridiculous to suggest that. To cover my bases, I also asked ChatGPT…funny how the question you ask it matters, huh?
quote:

Yes, pediatricians can make money from administering vaccines, but it's more accurate to say that vaccines are part of the services they provide, and like other medical services, they are reimbursed for them. Here's a breakdown:
1. **How Pediatricians Get Paid for Vaccines:** * **Reimbursement**: Pediatricians buy vaccines upfront (sometimes at significant cost) and are then reimbursed by insurance companies or government programs (like Medicaid or the Vaccines for Children program in the U.S.). * **Administration Fees**: In addition to the cost of the vaccine itself, they typically bill for administering the vaccine, which includes the time and supplies needed to store, prepare, and inject the vaccine.
2. **Profit Margin is Usually Small** * Vaccine costs can be high, and reimbursement rates from insurance vary. In many cases, the profit margin is small, especially for practices with a high proportion of Medicaid patients. * If reimbursement is too low, some practices may actually lose money on vaccines unless they negotiate better pricing or billing strategies.
3. **Why Pediatricians Still Provide Vaccines** * Vaccinations are a core part of pediatric preventive care. * Keeping children vaccinated is important for public health, and most pediatricians strongly believe in their value. * Offering vaccines in-office is more convenient and ensures better compliance with immunization schedules.
Bottom Line: Pediatricians don't generally get rich from vaccines. While they are reimbursed, the profit is typically modest and often just helps cover the cost of running the practice. Their motivation to provide vaccines is usually grounded more in medical ethics and public health than in financial gain.
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
624 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:40 am to
Of course you are correct in that it's important how you ask the question in ChatGPT.

Vaccines are a very sensitive topic and information that may cause vaccine hesitancy will not be volunteered by AI.

One would need to specifically ask about vaccine pay for performance incentives. These are in addition to the regular reimbursement rates for administration.

Not trying to be argumentative or suggest pediatricians push vaccines just to make money. But isn't it important that parents understand these financial incentives exist?
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14206 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:22 am to
quote:

Not trying to be argumentative or suggest pediatricians push vaccines just to make money. But isn't it important that parents understand these financial incentives exist?

The incentives come from insurance companies and the government and often are a net loss to the practice/provider. Vaccines are a public health policy to prevent terrible diseases we have all but eradicated via herd immunity. There is little to no profit motive on the practitioner side.
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