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Does anyone have experience with Cybex Eagle machines?

Posted on 8/6/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 1:28 pm
I’ve been working out at our local Y. Using the Cybex machines because my 13 year old son is my workout partner, and I’m not ready for him to move to free weights.

I am wondering how the Cybex machine compares to free weights for max lifts. I’m lifting 300 lbs on the machine bench press on max out days, but I’m doubting that compares realistically to free weights.

Any input is appreciated?
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

I’ve been working out at our local Y. Using the Cybex machines because my 13 year old son is my workout partner, and I’m not ready for him to move to free weights.

I am wondering how the Cybex machine compares to free weights for max lifts. I’m lifting 300 lbs on the machine bench press on max out days, but I’m doubting that compares realistically to free weights.

Any input is appreciated?


Not much carryover

Much bigger question is why would you not want a 13 year old to do free weights?
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:07 pm to
I want him to be benching his body weight before he goes to free. Part of that is I want to know that he has the strength to spot me when I get into trouble.

Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:52 pm to
No offense but

quote:

I want him to be benching his body weight before he goes to free. Part of that is I want to know that he has the strength to spot me when I get into trouble.


is retarded.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:22 pm to
Dumb as hell, being able to bench his body weight on a machine will have zero carry over to free weights.

Lifting free weights is mostly about developing inter muscular coordination at the beginning.

He is the perfect age to take advantage of a linear progression program to gain tons of muscle if he will put the work in, in the kitchen i.e. 1000 calories before 9am.

You are doing the right thing having him lift but doing him a huge disservice at the same time by restricting him to machines.

As far as spotting, you should never be going to failure anyways, always leave on in the tank on compound lifts.

If he is an athlete then I suggest you get him on the power athlete bedrock program on the train heroic app.

If not an athlete, put him on the greyskull lp, aesthetics template.

If he isn't strong enough or you don't feel he is ready or you are ready for barbell work, I highly recommend ppsa db strength. Won't be disappointed in it, promise. It's a bad arse program, run 4-6 times then hit barbell lp program.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:33 pm to
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As far as spotting, you should never be going to failure anyways, always leave on in the tank on compound lifts.


Powerlifting and old man training, yeah. I’d probably disagree with you for bodybuilding.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 8:53 pm to
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Powerlifting and old man training, yeah. I’d probably disagree with you for bodybuilding.


I said just for the big compound barbell lifts. Been pretty proven that going all the way to true failure on those cause more fatigue than the last rep is worth from a hypertrophy perspective.

On the other lifts, absolutely go all the way to failure. But like barbell bench, squats, deadlift...na. db bench and squat..yea sure. Curls he'll yea etc.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:02 pm to
I don’t mind taking good advice if I’m in the wrong. Started lifting with him when he was 12, because he decided he didn’t want to play baseball anymore. He’s not interested in athletics, but I told him he has to do something to keep his body active and strong (not a v body by video game).

I was working under the assumption that free weights would have more potential for injury as well.

He’s a big kid, just turning 13, 5’8” and 170ish. I really wish he wanted to stick with baseball, but he just has no interest.

Looks like I need to transition to free weights. I’ve got my own goals and felt pretty good about hitting 300 on the Cybex bench, but I don’t mind backing off to get better gains.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:07 pm to
Let me tag on an additional question:

Right now I have us on a 4 day cycle (lifting 3 days a week).

Day one is 3x12 bench, curls, overhead press, lateral machine, rows, flies, pull downs, tricep extensions, leg lifts and leg press

Day two is 3x10 same lifts

Day three is 8,5,3 same lifts

Day four max out with 5,3,1 same lifts

Should I alter the cycle as I add in the free weights?

This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 10:16 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:34 pm to
I think you need to get on a proven program that someone else wrote and quickly. I highly suggest ppsa db strength to start with.

As far as your kid, that is a good place to start too. With him not playing athletics, help him get in real shape for looks. Help him clean up his diet and put some muscle on.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:41 pm to
Oh, yeah that’s probably fair.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:50 pm to
Much appreciated. I’ll look into the ppsa program and go from there.
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