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re: Bankers: Saudis threaten prison time for aiding PGA-LIV probe.

Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:48 am to
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:48 am to
I think someone pointed out this would be illegal in the US as well. Lmao

The same people who “never care about LIV” are always the loudest whenever a talking point comes up.

If the PGAT was so concerned about blood money, why did Jay Monahan do a live interview with “his majesty” on CNBC to announce a historic merger?

There will always be DPWT and maybe even PGAT events in the future that will be played/directly sponsored (or funded) by Middle Eastern nations and you won’t say shite about it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:58 am to
No single rational person blames the players for taking the money regardless of where it came from

No single rational person would cheer for Muslim nations success in anything, especially things such as spreading their influence in western nations


Both are true

If you aren’t batting 2/2 above, you let emotions and irrational thoughts take over
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:02 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:31 am to
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No single rational person would cheer for Muslim nations success in anything, especially things such as spreading their influence in western nations


Do you think supporters of LIV are “cheering for Muslim nations success”?

You can like the golfers & the product, but not cheer for Saudi Arabia to succeed. If someone is a fan of Christiano Ronaldo, that doesn’t mean they’re a fan of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111419 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:37 am to
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Do you think supporters of LIV are “cheering for Muslim nations success”?
Yes

Question for you, do you hope Jay and the pga “win” and have control in the merger if it happens or the Saudis? Lots on this site, we’re extremely happy in June when they proclaimed “PIF Wom!”
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:38 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:40 am to
Ok. I fully expect you to quit watching & supporting the PGA Tour if/when the PIF/PGA merger goes through.

PGA success = Saudi success
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:42 am to
I never once said people need to boycott the product because of Muslim influence. I simply said a rational person isn’t happy and certainly doesn’t root on Muslim nations.
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:43 am to
Take your moral high ground somewhere else.

If the PIF $776 billion fund increases to $778 because of professional golf, that doesn’t mean shite in the long run.

I guess we will all have to protest watching professional golf once the PIF/PGA merger goes through
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:43 am to
Show me where I said boycott or protest. I think you are realizing exactly what you have been actively cheering extremely hard for the last 5 months and now you want to straw man the frick out of me for it.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:45 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:44 am to
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I simply said a rational person isn’t happy and certainly doesn’t root on Muslim nations.


& then you said if someone roots for LIV, that means they are rooting for Muslim nations. How does that change once a PGA/PIF deal gets done?
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:45 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:48 am to
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I think you are realizing exactly what you have been actively cheering extremely hard for the last 5 months and now you want to straw man the frick out of me for it.


Not at all. I like the golfers & I like the new product of a global tour. I dislike Saudi Arabia as a country & for their political and religious beliefs. The two are not related no matter how hard you try to make it seem that way
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111419 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:49 am to
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& then you said if someone roots for LIV
Nope, sure didn’t. I said someone that roots for PIF to win the battle. I simply said I absolutely think some liv supporters are 100% doing this. This site has plenty. Look around, people actively praise and root for Yasir. That’s far more than just lining LIV while disliking the Saudi influence….

If you truly just love liv and the product, but have some rational bones in your body, you would hope in a potential merger the PGA tour remains control with aspects of LIv remaining for certain events.

But if you cheer for PIF to win and have a complete takeover you are 100% rooting for Muslim nations and it’s spread.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:52 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:54 am to
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Nope, sure didn’t. I said someone that roots for PIF to win the battle. I simply said I absolutely think some liv supporters are 100% doing this.


quote:

Do you think supporters of LIV are “cheering for Muslim nations success”?

Yes


I mean it’s right there for everyone to see. You didn’t say “some”. You simply answered yes

Implying that I, someone who enjoys LIV, supports the success of Muslim Nations.

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But if you cheer for PIF to win and have a complete takeover

I surely am not & don’t know very many American golf fans who are hoping for this outcome
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111419 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:57 am to
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surely am not & don’t know very many American golf fans who are hoping for this outcome
You can find many right here

LINK
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:01 am to
lol im not going through 31 pages to find who was cheering for PIF.

But I did find this gem from you.
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The only people that look idiotic now are the “blood money” virtue signalers.

& now here yall are again doing the same thing
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 9:12 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111419 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:04 am to
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now here yall are again doing the same thing
You honestly have the worst concept of comprehension

Just 10 minutes ago from me

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No single rational person blames the players for taking the money regardless of where it came from
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:10 am to
Yeah, you don’t blame the players for taking it but let’s still call it blood money because the Saudi’s suck & if you like LIV, that means you are cheering for Muslim Nations success.

Is this not “blood money virtue signaling”?
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I hope even the biggest LIV fans that live in America can still easily say the Saudis and Muslim led countries are abhorrent pieces of shite and a stain on western civilization


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111419 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:13 am to
It 100% is awful money from horrific people. That’s just a fact man. I just think it’s ridiculous to blame humans for taking it when offered in the millions.

Now fans that cheer on the Saudis that aren’t actually getting paid? Yeh, that’s fricking ridiculous

Pretty simple concept man
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 9:14 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:22 am to
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Pretty simple concept man


You’re all over the place.

“I don’t blame the players, but it’s Saudi blood money.”
“People are idiots for all the virtue signaling, but let me do that some more.”
“I never said supporters of LIV are rooting for Muslim nation success, but fans are cheering on the Saudis”

Supporting LIV & watching some of my favorite golfers does not mean I want PIF to rule professional golf & that I’m cheering for the success of Muslim nations.

That’s pretty simple


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111419 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:26 am to
I’m not virtue signaling. I don’t think it’s virtue signaling to say Muslim nations and it’s spread sucks and a mess and cheering it on seems ridiculous

I do think it’s virtue signaling to act like you wouldn’t also accept millions from them

Once again, simple concept

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Supporting LIV & watching some of my favorite golfers does not mean I want PIF to rule professional golf & that I’m cheering for the success of Muslim nations. That’s pretty simple
Agreed. But most LIV fans here and online elsewhere(most, not all)aren’t simply watching and enjoying LIV. They are rooting for PIF to destroy the PGA.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 9:28 am
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18899 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:18 am to
Dammit I was looking forward to watching Rahm, Koepka, & Dechambeau play together in the featured group at LIV Las Vegas today, but all this virtue signaling made me realize I can’t watch bc then I’d be supporting the success of Muslim Nations. O well
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