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VR Capable Rig for DCS World
Posted on 11/7/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 11/7/22 at 3:54 pm
Not sure if there are any DCS players here. Would like a rig that can handle some VR flying without getting crazy expensive. Trying to stay under $1800 for the tower not counting accessories.
Intel or AMD?
3070 or 3080?
Never built a rig before but I think I can handle it. Hard part is making the decisions on what I need. Any help is much appreciated!
ETA official recommended hardware...
Recommended VR systems requirements (VR graphics settings): OS 64-bit Windows 10; DirectX11; CPU: Core i5+ at 3+ GHz or AMD FX / Ryzen; RAM: 16 GB (32 GB for heavy missions); Free hard disk space: 350 GB on Solid State Drive (SSD); Discrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 / AMD Radeon RX VEGA 64 or better; Joystick; requires internet activation.
Intel or AMD?
3070 or 3080?
Never built a rig before but I think I can handle it. Hard part is making the decisions on what I need. Any help is much appreciated!
ETA official recommended hardware...
Recommended VR systems requirements (VR graphics settings): OS 64-bit Windows 10; DirectX11; CPU: Core i5+ at 3+ GHz or AMD FX / Ryzen; RAM: 16 GB (32 GB for heavy missions); Free hard disk space: 350 GB on Solid State Drive (SSD); Discrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 / AMD Radeon RX VEGA 64 or better; Joystick; requires internet activation.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 4:07 pm
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:18 pm to Zakatak
If I had to build today, I would probably build something like this:
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PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($349.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: EK AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.63 @ Newegg Sellers)
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card ($779.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1833.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-07 22:15 EST-0500
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But ideally, I don't build until sometime in December/January when this next generation of GPUs have shaken themselves out a bit. Depending on what things look like, I might be inclined to downgrade my CPU to reach for a card in the $1k range. With that said, FPS dips are extremely important (to be avoided) in VR, so it would pain me to give up the CPU that is the king of 1% lows. If you're comfortable with pushing your budget to $2k flat, you'll really be cooking if you hold off a couple of months.
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PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($349.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: EK AIO Basic 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.63 @ Newegg Sellers)
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card ($779.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1833.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-07 22:15 EST-0500
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But ideally, I don't build until sometime in December/January when this next generation of GPUs have shaken themselves out a bit. Depending on what things look like, I might be inclined to downgrade my CPU to reach for a card in the $1k range. With that said, FPS dips are extremely important (to be avoided) in VR, so it would pain me to give up the CPU that is the king of 1% lows. If you're comfortable with pushing your budget to $2k flat, you'll really be cooking if you hold off a couple of months.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:07 am to j1897
quote:
Ever played with it in VR though?
No. Have watched a ton of videos on it. I likely will play with a head tracker but would like to dabble in VR for the novelty. Im a lifelong airplane nerd and played flight sims a bit 15-20 years ago.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 7:18 am to Joshjrn
quote:
If you're comfortable with pushing your budget to $2k flat, you'll really be cooking if you hold off a couple of months.
No problem waiting as i am not in a rush. So AMD is the way to go for DCS?
From what i have read DCS legacy coding relies heavily on single threading so single core performance is key. They are supposedly working on instituting Vulcan which would allow multi-core support. (If it ever happens). Does that change your recs at all or will this system be good for either version?
Thanks to both of yall for the replies.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 5:48 pm to Zakatak
quote:
No problem waiting as i am not in a rush. So AMD is the way to go for DCS?
From what i have read DCS legacy coding relies heavily on single threading so single core performance is key. They are supposedly working on instituting Vulcan which would allow multi-core support. (If it ever happens). Does that change your recs at all or will this system be good for either version?
Thanks to both of yall for the replies.
AMD is the value proposition right now. The 5800x3d and the 12900k are the two premier gaming chips. In a single threaded workload, the 12900k is likely to give you slightly higher max fps, but lower 1% low dips. In most games, that's a wash. For VR, I would rather the smoother lows the 5800x3d will give. Plus, it's about $150 cheaper.
And no, a move to more multi-core support wouldn't change my suggestion.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:36 pm to Joshjrn
Awesome. Thanks again for the info.
Posted on 11/9/22 at 7:50 am to Zakatak
quote:
Awesome. Thanks again for the info.
You're very welcome. And just as a little extra info, being I don't follow DCS, so you can make informed decisions if anything major does shift:
The 12900k has higher single core clock speeds. The 5800x3d has lower single core clock speeds, but a much larger L3 cache. That's why the former has high max fps but the latter has higher and more consistent fps lows. If you see anyone talking in the future about clock or cache mattering more, that's what they are talking about, and you can choose accordingly. Though if you go Intel, you would need to toss some of my parts list, as it's AMD specific.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 2:43 pm to Joshjrn
Am I allowed to post a costco link here? Just wanted an opinion on this system as it seems like a decent deal although its air cooled.
Costco Link
Processor & Memory:
12th Gen Intel® Core i7-12700 (12-Core) Processor
16GB UDIMM DDR5 4800MHz RAM
Operating System:
Microsoft® Windows 11 Home (64-bit)
Drives:
1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive
1TB PCIe 4.0x4 NVMe™ M.2 2280 Solid State Drive
No Optical Drive
Graphics & Video:
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 Graphics, 8GB
Communications:
Wi-Fi 6 (2x2/160) Gig+ and Bluetooth® 5.2
100/1000 Ethernet LAN
Keyboard:
USB Black Keyboard & USB Black Mouse
Ports & Slots:
1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C (support data transfer and 5V@3A charging)
4x USB 3.2 Gen 1
4x USB 2.0
3x Audio Connector
1x RJ-45
1x Lighting Switch
1x Headphone Jack
1x Microphone Jack
Ports & Slots:
500W Power Supply
Additional Information:
Advance Pro Air Cooling with ARGB and Legion OY iconic LED + Internal ambient lighting
Dimensions: 15.57" L x 8.10" W x 16.54" H
ETA spellcheck
Costco Link
Processor & Memory:
12th Gen Intel® Core i7-12700 (12-Core) Processor
16GB UDIMM DDR5 4800MHz RAM
Operating System:
Microsoft® Windows 11 Home (64-bit)
Drives:
1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive
1TB PCIe 4.0x4 NVMe™ M.2 2280 Solid State Drive
No Optical Drive
Graphics & Video:
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 Graphics, 8GB
Communications:
Wi-Fi 6 (2x2/160) Gig+ and Bluetooth® 5.2
100/1000 Ethernet LAN
Keyboard:
USB Black Keyboard & USB Black Mouse
Ports & Slots:
1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C (support data transfer and 5V@3A charging)
4x USB 3.2 Gen 1
4x USB 2.0
3x Audio Connector
1x RJ-45
1x Lighting Switch
1x Headphone Jack
1x Microphone Jack
Ports & Slots:
500W Power Supply
Additional Information:
Advance Pro Air Cooling with ARGB and Legion OY iconic LED + Internal ambient lighting
Dimensions: 15.57" L x 8.10" W x 16.54" H
ETA spellcheck
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 3:55 pm to Zakatak
Power supply seems a little low for things these days, but that will be a pretty good beginner streamer..my son runs a very similar setup for streaming to his Meta2
Posted on 12/19/22 at 6:06 pm to Zakatak
It's not a bad deal, as it would cost me about an extra $100 to build it myself, but I don't love the build in a vacuum, and I don't like it at all for VR.
General critique:
PSU is very underpowered for 2022/2023.
16GB of DDR5 RAM is almost certainly a single stick, which fricks with RAM channeling
No SKUs on any of the not-sexy parts, so we have no idea whether any of them are worth a shite
VR Critique:
That build spends too much on a CPU that's getting a bit long in the tooth, not enough on the GPU that is the most important component, and skimps far, far too much on the PSU which would basically preclude you from upgrading the GPU in the future.
General critique:
PSU is very underpowered for 2022/2023.
16GB of DDR5 RAM is almost certainly a single stick, which fricks with RAM channeling
No SKUs on any of the not-sexy parts, so we have no idea whether any of them are worth a shite
VR Critique:
That build spends too much on a CPU that's getting a bit long in the tooth, not enough on the GPU that is the most important component, and skimps far, far too much on the PSU which would basically preclude you from upgrading the GPU in the future.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:53 pm to Joshjrn
Much delayed but i just purchased the following prebuilt and should receive it this weekend…
System Summary
AMD IET99621 + FREE Shipping + Next Day Rush
Gaming Chassis
CyberPowerPC PHANTEKS NV5s ATX Mid-Tower Gaming Case With Seamless Glass View + 4X ARGB Fans (Included)
CPU
AMD Ryzen™ 7 Processor 7800X3D 8-core/16-thread 4.2GHz [Turbo 5.0GHz] 104MB Cache AM5 (Included)
CPU / Processor Cooling Fan
240mm Liquid CPU Cooling (Included)
Motherboard
B650 Motherboard (Included)
RAM / System Memory
32GB (16GBx2) DDR5-6000MHz MEMORY (Included)
Video Card
GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X Video Card (DLSS 3.5) [AI-Powered Graphics] (Included)
Power Supply
1,000 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (Included)
Primary Hard Drive
2TB PCIe NVMe GEN4 M.2 SSD (Included)
Keyboard
CyberPowerPC NOHI 02 RGB Multimedia USB Wired Gaming Keyboard w/ Audio Volume Scroll wheel (Included)
Mouse
CyberPowerPC Elite M1 131 RGB 7-Color w/ 9 Button, adjustable Weight & lighting effects Gaming Mouse (Included)
Hopefully it works out. Im pretty happy with it for $1799
System Summary
AMD IET99621 + FREE Shipping + Next Day Rush
Gaming Chassis
CyberPowerPC PHANTEKS NV5s ATX Mid-Tower Gaming Case With Seamless Glass View + 4X ARGB Fans (Included)
CPU
AMD Ryzen™ 7 Processor 7800X3D 8-core/16-thread 4.2GHz [Turbo 5.0GHz] 104MB Cache AM5 (Included)
CPU / Processor Cooling Fan
240mm Liquid CPU Cooling (Included)
Motherboard
B650 Motherboard (Included)
RAM / System Memory
32GB (16GBx2) DDR5-6000MHz MEMORY (Included)
Video Card
GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X Video Card (DLSS 3.5) [AI-Powered Graphics] (Included)
Power Supply
1,000 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (Included)
Primary Hard Drive
2TB PCIe NVMe GEN4 M.2 SSD (Included)
Keyboard
CyberPowerPC NOHI 02 RGB Multimedia USB Wired Gaming Keyboard w/ Audio Volume Scroll wheel (Included)
Mouse
CyberPowerPC Elite M1 131 RGB 7-Color w/ 9 Button, adjustable Weight & lighting effects Gaming Mouse (Included)
Hopefully it works out. Im pretty happy with it for $1799
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:28 pm to Zakatak
I personally dont mix and match CPU/GPU makers, but they all kind of blend together now anyway..
Looks like a decent setup, half the price was the card so you should be able to handle whatever
Looks like a decent setup, half the price was the card so you should be able to handle whatever
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:18 pm to GrammarKnotsi
I was always an intel CPU guy but i kept reading about issues the last year or so with the high end chips. Then when i read about the extra cache with the x3D AMD line i jumped on it. I think they are coming out with an updated x3D here soon but i figured it would be poor availability and maybe 5-7% performance boost.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:50 pm to Zakatak
I was very confused for a minute, as I kept reading posts of mine that I didn’t really remember writing.
Then I noticed they were from two years ago
Very solid looking rig, man
And it’s been many, many moons since I heard someone concerned about “mixing” CPU and GPU
Then I noticed they were from two years ago
Very solid looking rig, man
And it’s been many, many moons since I heard someone concerned about “mixing” CPU and GPU
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:17 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
And it’s been many, many moons since I heard someone concerned about “mixing” CPU and GPU
Not sure why ..AMD chips and GPUs run better together..Intel, the same...NVIDIA kind of plays well with both..The three of them all have proprietary software that gives it a leg up over the other
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:20 pm to GrammarKnotsi
quote:
Not sure why ..AMD chips and GPUs run better together..Intel, the same...NVIDIA kind of plays well with both..The three of them all have proprietary software that gives it a leg up over the other
Citation?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:58 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Then I noticed they were from two years ago
LOL
I talked myself out of it several times. But i got the best of myself this time around.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 5:16 pm to Zakatak
quote:
LOL I talked myself out of it several times. But i got the best of myself this time around.
Well the specs look solid. You remedied every concern I had about the one you had posted before. Should serve you well for quite some time
Posted on 10/24/24 at 7:38 am to Joshjrn
quote:
Citation?
I thought this was common knowledge..
SAM for AMD..XeSS for Intel..I didnt say they dont work fine together, i just was under the impression that using the same brand sometimes made a smoother product
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