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Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:14 pm to El Mattadorr
Please don’t start with that recipe. It is mediocre to bad. Too much yeast, outdated technique. Dunno why she calls it “French” bread, either. If you want to make a hearth style bread (ie, cooked on a stone, without a pan), try this: LINK
If you want a thicker, crustier bread, you will need to bake a wetter loaf loaf inside a Dutch oven. The relatively wet dough steams itself inside the closed pot, giving results similar to commercial steam injected ovens. Try this recipe: LINK
All of the KA Flour website is full of great baking info. On top of that, KA has an actual baking hotline answered by people: you eff something up, call them, they will help you troubleshoot. Finally, The Fresh Loaf site is full of very helpful people who are happy to help newbies: LINK Including a scattering of ppl from Louisiana.
If you want a thicker, crustier bread, you will need to bake a wetter loaf loaf inside a Dutch oven. The relatively wet dough steams itself inside the closed pot, giving results similar to commercial steam injected ovens. Try this recipe: LINK
All of the KA Flour website is full of great baking info. On top of that, KA has an actual baking hotline answered by people: you eff something up, call them, they will help you troubleshoot. Finally, The Fresh Loaf site is full of very helpful people who are happy to help newbies: LINK Including a scattering of ppl from Louisiana.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:15 pm to TastyJibblets
Used to sell at a farmers market. On break right now.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:21 pm to hungryone
Great resources, hungry. Where could I buy a stone? That first recipe is the one I'll start with.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:05 pm to El Mattadorr
Buy a stone or, even better, a baking steel easily online through Sur La Table or Williams Sonoma or your favorite online kitchenware retailer. Or direct from Baking Steel.
But I encourage you to try the Dutch oven method. That’s my go to. And a Dutch oven is a more versatile purchase than a baking Stone.
But I encourage you to try the Dutch oven method. That’s my go to. And a Dutch oven is a more versatile purchase than a baking Stone.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:34 pm to hungryone
I want to make that "hearth-baked" recipe tonight. Would I have bad results using a basic metal sheet pan? I will buy the proper gear later.
ETA: I already have a Dutch oven.
ETA: I already have a Dutch oven.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:42 pm to El Mattadorr
Sheet pan will be fine, but you won’t get as much oven spring nor will the loaf be quite as crusty. So much of baking in a home oven is about heat transfer and thermal mass—the reason for a stone is that it traps and holds more heat than the thin sheet pan. So more heat to release into your loaf, making it expand more quickly (oven spring);before the crust sets firmly and puts an end to the expansion. A closed cast iron Dutch oven doubles the effect: high thermal mass, plus an enclosed space to trap steam, which keeps the crust flexible longer, so max oven spring, and creates a more distinct, crisp crust.
An old school enameled steel GraniteWare pot or turkey roaster is usually easy to find at WalMart, cheap, and gives great results. Lighter and easier to manage than a cast iron pot, too. I bought the big, oblong one so I can make two batards (oblong footballs) side by side, rather than being limited to just boules as in a round Dutch oven.
An old school enameled steel GraniteWare pot or turkey roaster is usually easy to find at WalMart, cheap, and gives great results. Lighter and easier to manage than a cast iron pot, too. I bought the big, oblong one so I can make two batards (oblong footballs) side by side, rather than being limited to just boules as in a round Dutch oven.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 12:16 pm to hungryone
I started two batches of dough this morning. Gonna test whether I can appreciate the difference between a quick-rise version and one that slowly rises overnight.
First is a quick version of no knead. 3 cups AP flour, whole 1/4 ounce packet of instant yeast, 1.5 tsp salt, 1.5 cups warm water. Needs only 4 hours for the first rise.
Second is a Jim Lahey recipe. 3 cups bread or AP flour, only 1/4 teaspoon instant yeast, 1 1/4 tsp salt, 1 1/3 cups water. The big differences are way less yeast and way more first rise time: at least 12 and preferably 18 hours. The recipe says the "long, slow fermentation is what yields the bread’s rich flavor." LINK
Going to bake both in a Dutch oven.
First is a quick version of no knead. 3 cups AP flour, whole 1/4 ounce packet of instant yeast, 1.5 tsp salt, 1.5 cups warm water. Needs only 4 hours for the first rise.
Second is a Jim Lahey recipe. 3 cups bread or AP flour, only 1/4 teaspoon instant yeast, 1 1/4 tsp salt, 1 1/3 cups water. The big differences are way less yeast and way more first rise time: at least 12 and preferably 18 hours. The recipe says the "long, slow fermentation is what yields the bread’s rich flavor." LINK
Going to bake both in a Dutch oven.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 12:56 pm to Twenty 49
That’s a good comparison. Nothing is wrong with either method/recipe—experiment is what will improve your technique. My most favorite loaves get an overnight shaped rise in the fridge—a more pronounced sour flavor, thicker crust, and longer keeping qualities.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 1:05 pm to Baers Foot
Great now they’ll be a rush on these ingredients
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:34 pm to Dale Doubak
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Great now they’ll be a rush on these ingredients
I can't find King Arthur in BR. Anyone seen any?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:39 pm to Motorboat
You don’t need KA brand. Gold Medal or Pillsbury or Bobs Red Mill—-any AP flour will work fine. I did notice that Walmart was sold out of flour on Wed. Try smaller stores or independents which seem to be restocking more quickly.
For ppl in NO, if you want a big quantity, Koerner baking on Jeff Highway in old Jefferson will sell you a 50 lb sack of KA for about $18. You don’t need a wholesale license. Order via the Koerner website and select will call; they will bring it to your vehicle curbside. A 50 lb sack of flour will fit into two 22 quart Cambro tubs for storage.
For ppl in NO, if you want a big quantity, Koerner baking on Jeff Highway in old Jefferson will sell you a 50 lb sack of KA for about $18. You don’t need a wholesale license. Order via the Koerner website and select will call; they will bring it to your vehicle curbside. A 50 lb sack of flour will fit into two 22 quart Cambro tubs for storage.
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:41 pm to hungryone
Also, Sams and Restaurant Depot sell 1 lb vac sealed bricks of instant yeast. Keep it in the freezer, it lasts forever (like a year). Way cheaper than the jars or sachets.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 2:59 pm to hungryone
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instant yeast.
Ya'll can have that stuff. I'm a sourdough snob.
I understand I don't need KA flour--it's my go to.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 3:00 pm to Twenty 49
Loaf No. 1 (Quick Rise) is on the cooling rack for a couple of hours. Braved a trip to Whole Foods for some Kerrygold butter to slather on later.
Preheated oven to 450 with a 7.25 qt Dutch oven inside(with metal knob; no melting). Put the dough on parchment paper and sat it in the pot. Lid on for 30 minutes, then lid off for 15 more mins; Thermapen said bread was 210. I tested it after 12 minutes, but it wasn't quite to temp.
In the pot
On the rack
Preheated oven to 450 with a 7.25 qt Dutch oven inside(with metal knob; no melting). Put the dough on parchment paper and sat it in the pot. Lid on for 30 minutes, then lid off for 15 more mins; Thermapen said bread was 210. I tested it after 12 minutes, but it wasn't quite to temp.
In the pot
On the rack
Posted on 3/20/20 at 3:05 pm to Twenty 49
beautiful man. I'm mixing tonight and baking again tomorrow. Mine are rustic looking like yours, probably because I get lazy with shaping. Still taste good.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 3:10 pm to Twenty 49
Pretty loaf. Wet dough baked in a DO is so dang forgiving. It’s always fun to lift the lid and see what sort of personality has emerged from a puddle of dough.
I like adding soaked sunflower and flax, in part bc the leithicin in the flaxseeds is a natural preservative and it stales much more slowly than without.
I like adding soaked sunflower and flax, in part bc the leithicin in the flaxseeds is a natural preservative and it stales much more slowly than without.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 3:22 pm to Motorboat
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I understand I don't need KA flour--it's my go to.
The organic flour sold in 15 lb lots from Central Milling at Costco is also good stuff.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:19 pm to hungryone
Sliced into No. 1. The Kerrygold butter (not shown here) exceeded my expectations. So creamy.
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