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re: Fantasy basball question (KEEPERS)

Posted on 12/16/11 at 11:38 am to
Posted by SwampDonks
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 11:38 am to
I think he means what rounds would you be giving up for keeping each of those players. But I'm assuming it's just a straight draft after keepers are kept, with no consequences for keeping certain players.
Posted by Bacciagaloop
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 1:45 pm to
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Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

... i have miguel cabrera,ells,cano,kershaw, and halladay...

Trade Ellsbury + your least favorite of the other remaining guys for any player your heart desires plus draft pick improvement.

Example:

Ellsbury + Halladay + eighth round pick

for

Pujols (or Verlander or Bautista or Kemp, etc.) + first round pick

You have six absolute studs. You cannot let one go to waste. I would still keep 112 games of Braun over Ellsbury. Trade Ellsbury + keeper for your number one overall fantasy keeper baseball player. Also, acquire some pick improvement, since you are trading two studs for one.

Also, I would not trade or drop Braun. He is worth too much, and you will not get enough value if you trade him now.
This post was edited on 12/16/11 at 2:27 pm
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:27 pm to
He has no source of steals other than Ellsbury. It would be dumb to let him go. Why not come into the season with 5 guys that can carry you in every category instead of 4.5 guys that can't?


Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:31 pm to
I just do not trust Ellsbury. I think the other players are all better. Steals can be easily acquired in the draft, especially with only 50 total keepers.

Also, if he traded Ellsbury + keeper for Kemp, then he can still have steals, not a waste a stud keeper, and acquire better draft picks.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

I think he means what rounds would you be giving up for keeping each of those players. But I'm assuming it's just a straight draft after keepers are kept, with no consequences for keeping certain players.


He said he made a bunch of trades to get those players, I assumed he had to trade away some draft picks. Either that, or he plays with a bunch of morons.
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Steals can be easily acquired in the draft,


No shite, but how many of them will drive in 100, score 100, and hit for average? Im not sold on him hitting 30 jacks again, but c'mon man.


Braun (-50 games) + Juan Pierre is not better than Ellsbury + Best player available. No way. No how.

Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

Braun (-50 games) + Juan Pierre is not better than Ellsbury + Best player available. No way. No how.

Unless we see 2010 Ellsbury. I would just rather have being my keepers be Cano/Miggy/Kershaw/Kemp/Braun + extra first round pick or whatever over Cano/Miggy/Kershaw/Halladay/Ellsbury
Posted by reddman
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78195 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 2:55 pm to
There's always that possibility, and nothing is ever certain. Who's to say that Braun doesn't get shite to hit because Fielder isn't hitting behind him anymore. They both have risks, and Braun's is bigger because he's losing 50 games.


Now, if they take back the suspension, I'd agree with you.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 3:13 pm to
I'd trade Braun for whatever pick i could get, I'm sure someone will give you something.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

He has no source of steals other than Ellsbury.


Braun was like 30/30


steals are cheap anyway.
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
78195 posts
Posted on 12/16/11 at 3:52 pm to
Braun stealing 30 bags is more of an anomaly than Ellsbury hitting 30 jacks. He will never match that again.

Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 3:58 pm to
Ellsbury average HR per year(162 game avg) before 2011: 10

HRs hit in 2011: 32


Braun average SB per year: 18

SBs in 2011: 33



Ellsbury hit 23 more HRs than previous career high. Braun stole 13 more bases than his career high.


its a lot easier for Braun to steal a base than ellsbury to hit a HR, imo
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 12/16/11 at 4:04 pm to
Yet Braun will play in 50 less games this year. Again, if they were both playing a full season, Braun is the obvious choice.

Posted by Bacciagaloop
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:49 am to
quote:

Vicks Kennel Club


Definitely have some stuff to think about here... have any of you ever run a Yahoo keeper league.... is there a way to trade like this before the draft, because I am not sure if that is possible...

I could just arrange something with someone I guess for them to just draft who I want when they get their pick....

I had a shitload of categories last year, and I think I am going to go to a 5x5 or 6x6 this year, which would put more emphasis on SB and power, so I am really torn. Good points are discussion all the way around.

I am just ready for FBaseball...
Posted by Bacciagaloop
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:59 am to
quote:

He said he made a bunch of trades to get those players, I assumed he had to trade away some draft picks. Either that, or he plays with a bunch of morons.


I started the year with Pujols, Hamilton, Lincecum, and Cliff Lee... I made some very good trades throughout the year and traded a couple late draft picks... so I have 18 picks this year... I play with about 7 other good players, and take advantage of the other 2... LOL
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 10:08 am to
quote:

Yet Braun will play in 50 less games this year. Again, if they were both playing a full season, Braun is the obvious choice.

He is not just keeping Braun or Ellsbury this upcoming year. In future seasons, both are playing 162. I am also looking, say for the next five years, where I will take 50 less games of Braun over Ellsbury for the rest of their keeper worthy playing days.
Posted by Bacciagaloop
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 10:10 am to
there is always the gamble of letting him go into draft and picking him with my first pick... others may be hesitant to use their first pick for someone sitting 50 games
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 10:21 am to
I just do not like the idea of allowing of them to fall into the draft. At the minimum, trade one of your keepers for good picks.
Posted by Chatagnier
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/17/11 at 12:35 pm to
Ahhh baseball talk is back
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