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Posted by Rouge
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Pujols
Miggy
Votto
Prince
Tex
Gonzalez can be a good debate
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:45 pm to
GLTY
Posted by cwill
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quote:

Howard still qualifies as a stud, IMO. His best days may be behind him though.


I agree here, but he is clearly in decline. Not to say he can't surprise with one last gasp of a season where he puts up top notch numbers, but his lineup is falling apart around him.
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:46 pm to
Agon is better than fielder imo. Prince is the weakest on dat list.
Posted by Lester Earl
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he's only 31. i expect him to get back to 40 HR this year


id only take

Pujols
votto
AGon
Miggy

over howard.
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 6:47 pm
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:47 pm to
never question Les Authority
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:52 pm to
well rouge, 1st base is loaded. Even if you think he is the 6th best, he can still be labeled a stud.

you know how many people have more HRs than Howard the last 3 years?

1- Albert Pujols(126 to 124)


you know how many have more RBI?

ZERO (he has 26 more than Pujols)
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:53 pm to
Boomshockalocka
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

well rouge, 1st base is loaded. Even if you think he is the 6th best, he can still be labeled a stud.

you know how many people have more HRs than Howard the last 3 years?

1- Albert Pujols(126 to 124)


you know how many have more RBI?

ZERO (he has 26 more than Pujols)


All in the past - time to look the future and see the down trend.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:55 pm to
But he's never made a sale and caught the office on fire.
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:56 pm to
nice use of stats to make a point that means nothing for this season

dont focus on the 31 dings he had last season

dont focus on a hurt Utley and no Jason Werth.....think he's going to see the same pitches without all the power bats around him? good luck with that
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:57 pm to
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All in the past - time to look the future and see the down trend.



it takes 2 years at least to see a down trend. So there isnt one to see yet. He had an off 2010 but he is still only 31. I dont think he is trending downward quite yet.

this will be his 6th full major league season in 2011
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:57 pm to
It's all moot seeing as I wouldn't make that trade for Albert.
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

it takes 2 years at least to see a down trend. So there isnt one to see yet. He had an off 2010 but he is still only 31. I dont think he is trending downward quite yet.

this will be his 6th full major league season in 2011


Well lucky for you - you get to ride that consistency in to the sunset and off the cliff.

ETA: This being only his 6th major season is irrelevant - he's 31 - age is age in baseball. And it's not like he wasn't playing year round as a minor leaguer.
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:01 pm to
seriously will, do you really see any manager with a brain pitching to howard with a bunch of average to plus average players around him in the lineup?

pitch to Howard or Ben Francisco? have to think about that one
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:02 pm to
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dont focus on the 31 dings he had last season



what part of "the last 3 years" doesnt include last year?

quote:

dont focus on a hurt Utley and no Jason Werth.....think he's going to see the same pitches without all the power bats around him? good luck with that




that kind of stuff gets overblown

he could maybe see more pitches if they arent worried about the players around him.


what do you think his numbers will be at the end of this year?
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 7:03 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:04 pm to
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ETA: This being only his 6th major season is irrelevant - he's 31 - age is age in baseball. And it's not like he wasn't playing year round as a minor leaguer.



31 is old?

wtf?

is pujols going to fall off too? hes 31

should rouge worry about Texiera?


Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:05 pm to
quote:

what do you think his numbers will be at the end of this year?


about the same as last season

still good numbers. i actually think he will have higher OBP because of the walks.

with the Phiilies pitching, opposing teams are not going to let power bats beat them. Ben Francisco will have to prove that he can hit before guys throw to Howard, imho
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 7:05 pm
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:06 pm to
Ubaldo
Sanchez
Billingsly
Bow
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:06 pm to
if it gets that bad, they will make a move for a bat.

btw ibanez is still there. he showed a lot of life in the 2nd half last year.
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