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mid 1990s Gibson les paul studio or a new Edwards les paul custom?
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:01 pm
I've heard good things about the Japanese Edwards les paul, I have the budget to pick up another guitar and have the option on these. They're about the same price. Have no long term experience with Edwards.
Was wondering if anyone on here does and what would go with?
Was wondering if anyone on here does and what would go with?
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Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:02 pm to SEClint
Edwards, no question and without a second's hesitation.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:08 pm to TheFretShack
know if the necks are any different than the American made gibson customs?
I've heard they are smaller to accommodate Japanese hands. I'd replace pickups with emgs on both anyways.
I've heard they are smaller to accommodate Japanese hands. I'd replace pickups with emgs on both anyways.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:26 pm to SEClint
I don't know if the Edwards neck profile is textbook R7, R8, R9, etc. But they tend to be a slim medium, meaty enough for good tone and resonance but not baseball bats my any means and very playable.
"Smaller to accommodate Japanese hands" has to be a poor excuse at humor, some guy's ignorance in the purest sense, or both. What an idiot.
I'm sure you know MIJ Edwards is ghost-built by ESP's standard production line. The scope of what Gibson puts into their Studio line in regard to craftsmanship and attention to detail will more than likely be substantially surpassed in a MIJ Edwards. Little but significant things like wood selection and grain/cuts, the quality of the glue-in neck joint, fretwork, component selection, etc.
On that note, if you get the Edwards, don't write off the factory Duncans just yet. I surely wouldn't pull them in favor of EMGs.
"Smaller to accommodate Japanese hands" has to be a poor excuse at humor, some guy's ignorance in the purest sense, or both. What an idiot.
I'm sure you know MIJ Edwards is ghost-built by ESP's standard production line. The scope of what Gibson puts into their Studio line in regard to craftsmanship and attention to detail will more than likely be substantially surpassed in a MIJ Edwards. Little but significant things like wood selection and grain/cuts, the quality of the glue-in neck joint, fretwork, component selection, etc.
On that note, if you get the Edwards, don't write off the factory Duncans just yet. I surely wouldn't pull them in favor of EMGs.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:38 pm to TheFretShack
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"Smaller to accommodate Japanese hands" has to be a poor excuse at humor, some guy's ignorance in the purest sense, or both. What an idiot.
lol it's what the gibson owner was saying. Sure he was trying to make a quick trump based sell in retrospect.
Yeah, I don't have much experience with esp. Been strictly a gibson and Dean player for the last decade. Before that is was epiphone. Looking to get a good road backup in this guitar, and since I have quite a few emg pickups laying around I was going to put them to use.
The factory Duncan's in that are legit?
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:59 pm to SEClint
I'm pretty sure they have real USA-made Duncans, not "Duncan Designed," and I'd suspect it's a JB in the bridge and a '59 in the neck. They are the common combo in production ESP guitars, very versatile and sound good for pretty much anything you ask them to do.
ESP makes stellar guitars - they are the best big production line guitar made in Japan without question, their equivalent to our PRS for quality and consistency per unit. Don't let ESP's endorsement associations sway you to believe they are only suited for hard rockers, thrashers, death and doom rocker whatevers. ESPs cross into all genres, particular among studio/session guitarists/bassists. My main daily player is a hotrodded ESP Custom Shop strat and it does everything and anything under the sun very, very well.
And don't think ESP and LTD are the same guitars with different logos. While ESP's LTD line is very good for the money, they are but a fraction of what the MIJ ESPs bring to the table as far as overall craftsmanship and attention to detail. Apples and oranges.
ESP makes stellar guitars - they are the best big production line guitar made in Japan without question, their equivalent to our PRS for quality and consistency per unit. Don't let ESP's endorsement associations sway you to believe they are only suited for hard rockers, thrashers, death and doom rocker whatevers. ESPs cross into all genres, particular among studio/session guitarists/bassists. My main daily player is a hotrodded ESP Custom Shop strat and it does everything and anything under the sun very, very well.
And don't think ESP and LTD are the same guitars with different logos. While ESP's LTD line is very good for the money, they are but a fraction of what the MIJ ESPs bring to the table as far as overall craftsmanship and attention to detail. Apples and oranges.
Posted on 11/18/17 at 8:03 pm to TheFretShack
Well, You've convinced me. Going with Edwards.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:54 am to SEClint
I almost got an Edwards when I was choosing between that and my MIJ Burny Les Paul. They always get enthusiastic endorsements. I can't imagine them being better than Burny but I would definitely pick Edwards over a Gibson LP Studio. I've always hated those guitars.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 11:14 am to RockAndRollDetective
Like Edwards, Navigator, Grass Roots are all in the ESP Japan family, Burny is in the Fernandes Japan family and another stellar MIJ value example. Burny is their Japan-market Gibson copies. Here are a pair of Burny Sustainers that came through recently - a buddy of mine has a handful of Burnys. For the price of a couple of nice LP Standards, he has like a half dozen nice Burnys with different features and Floyds he can dedicate to alternate tunings.
Just like Edwards (or Navigator for that matter), I'd buy a Burny online, sight unseen, before I'd buy a Gibson. No question or hesitation.
Just like Edwards (or Navigator for that matter), I'd buy a Burny online, sight unseen, before I'd buy a Gibson. No question or hesitation.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:23 pm to TheFretShack
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On that note, if you get the Edwards, don't write off the factory Duncans just yet. I surely wouldn't pull them in favor of EMGs.
I agree with this - unless you're going for a specific sound which requires specific pup choices, I would like the Duncans for LP studio over just about anything except maybe P90s, PAF or burstbuckers (and even then, Studios and Duncans are a pretty competitive combination).
Posted on 11/20/17 at 4:49 pm to SEClint
People really do shite on Gibson’s. In many forums other than this one. They ain’t cheap.
Makes me ask. How much does a person have to spend on a new Les Paul for it to be consistently a “good” one? Do you have to spend 5-7 Grand on a custom or a 59 reissue? At what point do you start getting what you pay for according to most?
Makes me ask. How much does a person have to spend on a new Les Paul for it to be consistently a “good” one? Do you have to spend 5-7 Grand on a custom or a 59 reissue? At what point do you start getting what you pay for according to most?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:36 am to LSU alum wannabe
In my experience-based opinion, quality control unit to unit can be so inconsistent, there is no magic dollar threshold you have to hit in order to ensure you have snagged a good one, which is a (sad) dilemma in itself considering the volume of instruments that are bought sight unseen nowadays thanks to the internet.
Many times I've seen less-than-$1K pieces that were rock solid little workhorses and really good guitars for what was invested. I've also seen some high-dollar GCS pieces that had issues, some easily fixable, some more challenging (and $$$). Granted, it's much less common on GCS pieces and the odds are higher that you're going to get something special straight out the box. But how many of us have multiple thousands of dollars to spend on ANY guitar, let alone are willing to do it? I know I don't fall in that market demographic.
The simple remedies: Play in person before you buy, play many examples via multiple stores, with a knowledgeable friend in tow if you need it; or
Buy online from a source with both a liberal return policy and return time window (like 30 days), so that you have time to get it to a reputable tech should the delivered product compel you to seek a second opinion as to keeping it or returning it.
The above suggestions are good for any significant-for-you-investment guitar purchase, not just Gibson.
Many times I've seen less-than-$1K pieces that were rock solid little workhorses and really good guitars for what was invested. I've also seen some high-dollar GCS pieces that had issues, some easily fixable, some more challenging (and $$$). Granted, it's much less common on GCS pieces and the odds are higher that you're going to get something special straight out the box. But how many of us have multiple thousands of dollars to spend on ANY guitar, let alone are willing to do it? I know I don't fall in that market demographic.
The simple remedies: Play in person before you buy, play many examples via multiple stores, with a knowledgeable friend in tow if you need it; or
Buy online from a source with both a liberal return policy and return time window (like 30 days), so that you have time to get it to a reputable tech should the delivered product compel you to seek a second opinion as to keeping it or returning it.
The above suggestions are good for any significant-for-you-investment guitar purchase, not just Gibson.
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