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re: The Last Duel sucked... That's why it bombed at the box office (spoilers)
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:53 am to Jack Ruby
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:53 am to Jack Ruby
Went in with zero expectations based on this thread but I came away really enjoying this movie. I can see why some folks did not.
I didn't fully understand Jacques le Gris side of the story because he clearly raped her in his version of events.
The duel was brutal and one of the better fight scenes I've seen.
I didn't fully understand Jacques le Gris side of the story because he clearly raped her in his version of events.
The duel was brutal and one of the better fight scenes I've seen.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:48 am to skullhawk
I actually enjoyed this movie and would love a follow up that highlights the crusades. Worth a watch on HBO for sure.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:07 am to skullhawk
quote:A lot of terrible people don’t see that as rape, unfortunately.
he clearly raped her in his version of events.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:25 am to skullhawk
quote:Thats really why I was so frustrated in the end. All they needed to do was make his version appear SOMEWHAT consensual, and the story line makes sense. Including 3 storylines is a waste of time if they are all essentially the same thing. Kept waiting for the other shoe to drop till the credits rolled.
I didn't fully understand Jacques le Gris side of the story because he clearly raped her in his version of events.
Agreed on the duel itself, and all of the film work outside of the botched story line really.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 4:20 pm to skullhawk
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I didn't fully understand Jacques le Gris side of the story because he clearly raped her in his version of events.
I saw it as a mirror of his encounter with the wench earlier in the movie. Her reactions (made aware to him) were extremely similar and he even carried her to the bed in the same manner. It is also questionable to impose the modern lens on medieval French sexual encounters, especially with a married woman. Just judging it as a rape also negates the potential for Marguerite to have the ulterior motive of getting rid of Jean. Echoed later when it became clear she didn't know she would be burned if Jean lost. I think it is more nuanced regarding Jacques's truth but it is hard to see it through modern eyes which clearly see a rape.
Having read the book years ago and seeing the movie I still have the feeling Marguerite was far more savvy and cunning than many give her credit for. She was not happy with Jean and may have either had a thing for Jacques or simply saw him as a means to an end for getting rid of Jean. She ultimately lived happily ever after once Jean was dead and never remarried so she might just have decided she disliked men or maybe, just maybe Jacques was more to her than a rapist. Women have been known to have conflicting feelings for the one man that has given them a "little death".
While he clearly raped her in the modern view and maybe even at the time (though it was "merely" a property crime then and Jean was the true aggrieved. I think there is a distinct possibility (in the movie and historically) that Jacques was an unwitting pawn in Marguerite's bigger plan.
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The duel was brutal and one of the better fight scenes I've seen.
The duel was excellent in many ways, the odd thing is it is the least historically accurate portion of the entire movie. It is therefore a point on the side of cinematic license.
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