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I think if Lee doesn't emerge as the starter by...
Posted on 8/28/08 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 8/28/08 at 6:56 pm
the Auburn game we're in trouble.
I just don't think Hatch is an SEC caliber starter for a championship team.
I just don't think Hatch is an SEC caliber starter for a championship team.
This post was edited on 8/28/08 at 6:58 pm
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Posted on 8/28/08 at 6:59 pm to ChewyDante
Posted on 8/28/08 at 6:59 pm to ChewyDante
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I just don't think Hatch is an SEC caliber starter for a championship team.
And this is based on...?
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:03 pm to ChewyDante
bullshite aside, i have to agree.
hatch is a band aid, not an answer. He is a solid QB for a really small D2 school, but his upside is very slim. That said, if he can RUN the ball and RUN the offense, he'll get alot of snaps.
Lee has VERY good upside in the SEC, as does JJ in a few years. Lee is a very good passer and i hope that translates to the playing field.
hatch is a band aid, not an answer. He is a solid QB for a really small D2 school, but his upside is very slim. That said, if he can RUN the ball and RUN the offense, he'll get alot of snaps.
Lee has VERY good upside in the SEC, as does JJ in a few years. Lee is a very good passer and i hope that translates to the playing field.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:07 pm to Volvagia
It is based on the fact that he is a Crowton recruit and given a scholarship by LSU.
I do not understand the anti-Hatch thing.
I do not understand the anti-Hatch thing.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:07 pm to ChewyDante
for someone to emerge as the starter the staff has to feel they are better, if lee does not emerge Hatch is better
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:14 pm to Santa Clause
I don't agree with any of this.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:30 pm to TheDoc
i'm just basing it off the scrimmages i saw.
If Hatch is in the game on 3rd and long, you will NOT see the ball go downfield. I don't like that kind of predictability in a team with the best WR's in the nation.
that said, he really impressed me in the Spring game and proved to me he could win us some games. It's just his arm has not been accurate nor strong in the 2 scrimmages i saw.
that said, i'm pulling for im to prove me wrong....probably more than anyone. I think it is an awesome story. I'm just trying to look at this situation without the P&G glasses.
The thing i like about this situation over the horrible controversy with Randall/JaMarcus is that in 05 Saban was stubborn enough to solidify Randall as the #1 and not give JR ANY first team reps until AFTER the season got going. Miles has evenly divided the reps 50/50 all along. That is the proper way to bring up a young talent like lee IMO.
If Hatch is in the game on 3rd and long, you will NOT see the ball go downfield. I don't like that kind of predictability in a team with the best WR's in the nation.
that said, he really impressed me in the Spring game and proved to me he could win us some games. It's just his arm has not been accurate nor strong in the 2 scrimmages i saw.
that said, i'm pulling for im to prove me wrong....probably more than anyone. I think it is an awesome story. I'm just trying to look at this situation without the P&G glasses.
The thing i like about this situation over the horrible controversy with Randall/JaMarcus is that in 05 Saban was stubborn enough to solidify Randall as the #1 and not give JR ANY first team reps until AFTER the season got going. Miles has evenly divided the reps 50/50 all along. That is the proper way to bring up a young talent like lee IMO.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:41 pm to Santa Clause
Santa, you need to stick to delivering the toys to all the good little boys and girls of the world and let our multi-million dollar coaching staff worry about our QBs... 
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:46 pm to Santa Clause
quote:I agree as well Santa. You and I were two of the few people on this board who have seen the QBs in the closed scrimmages and we both agree Lee has all the tools to be an SEC QB. Lee is much, much better than Hatch and needs to be starting by Auburn.
i have to agree
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:48 pm to jlsutiger
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:48 pm to ChewyDante
quote:
I just don't think Hatch is an SEC caliber starter for a championship team.
I know you're just voicing your opinion but you have nothing to back it up. The man hasn't played a complete game yet.
I just remember people saying the same thing about Mauck...that worked out pretty good.
This post was edited on 8/28/08 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:56 pm to adono
so much speculation based on absolutely nothing. i am hoping hatch suprises alot of people. nothing against JL or JJ i am just one to give someone the benefit of the doubt untill they prove otherwise. maybe we should get some games played before people form such strong opinions
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:57 pm to ChewyDante
quote:
I just don't think Hatch is an SEC caliber starter for a championship team.
NC game stats:
12 passes under 10 yds. for 65 yds and 3 TD's.
7 passes between 10-25 yds. for 109 yds. and 1 TD.
NONE for over 25 yds....he averaged 5.4 yds. per completion.
Final stat 19/27 for 174 yds. and 4 TDs.
Lee or Hatch could make any of those throws. Ya'll just keep talking about the QB's, LSU will do fine.
A year ago, the LSU offense set 10 school records, including points in a season (541), points per game (38.6) and touchdowns scored (64), on its way to posting a 12-2 overall mark.
The 2007 LSU offense produced one of the top rushing and passing seasons in school history as Jacob Hester ran for 1,103 yards and 12 scores, while Flynn threw for 2,407 yards and 21 touchdowns. It marked only the sixth time in school history that LSU’s offense has featured a 1,000-yard rusher and a 2,000-yard passer in the same season.
The Wiz has only used a small % of his playbook, this is a good year to keep an eye on the QB.
Last year Flynn completed 56% of his passes for 21 TD's and 11 INT's. I would think both QB's with a second year under the Wiz could do as good or better. Returning 7 out of 8 leading receivers from last year, 4 of 5 rushers. This team will do just fine.
I guess everyone knows more than a guy that has been a Offensive Coordinator, Quarterback Coach, Head Coach and Passing Game Coordinator. Has stops at Oregon, BYU, Chicago Bears, Louisiana Tech, Georgia Tech, Boston College and New Hampshire. Why not question a guy that has sent seven quarterbacks into the NFL Draft.
I'll take the Wiz on this one....
Posted on 8/28/08 at 7:58 pm to adono
I will bet anything, all my money and future money, that a true starter (the guy who will play the whole season as starter) will not be named by the Auburn game.
Even if Lee emerges as the guy, Miles will play everybody, especially Hatch and Lee alot.
He will do this to make Auburn have to prepare for all the different kinds of things that all three of the qbs will bring.
Even if Lee emerges as the guy, Miles will play everybody, especially Hatch and Lee alot.
He will do this to make Auburn have to prepare for all the different kinds of things that all three of the qbs will bring.
Posted on 8/28/08 at 8:02 pm to Volvagia
quote:
And this is based on...?
Just my opinion obviously. I'm not at practice everyday watching these guys play, granted. But I did see video of the Spring game and going off what I've been reading since the Spring, Lee has far greater natural skill and potential. Greater arm strength (i know it doesn't mean everything but its still nice) and greater accuracy.
Obviously he's young and that affects his knowledge of the system and his acclimation to the speed of the game, but he should be able to have a decent feel after 3 relatively easy games.
I hope Hatch is successful but I just don't see him having the physical tools to be a solid, upper echelon quarterback in this conference. Also it seems like our coaches may have a tendency to edge experience over talent in situations like these (see Justin Vincent and Keiland early in 2006 when the running game struggled). I'm not saying start Lee over Hatch just for the shite of it, I'm saying if Lee hasn't legitimately beaten out Hatch for the starting job by the Auburn game then Hatch will more than likely be our guy, and I think that hurts our chances of winning the conference as I just honestly don't see him as a real strong talent.
Get the sand out of your f'ing vaginas, reality is what it is. Do you honestly believe Hatch is a solid SEC quarterback right now? Do you think he has greater natural talent than Lee?
Posted on 8/28/08 at 8:02 pm to jrowla2
quote:
He will do this to make Auburn have to prepare for all the different kinds of things that all three of the qbs will bring.
+1
Posted on 8/28/08 at 8:04 pm to ChewyDante
by the way, when I say I think we may be in trouble I don't mean we're gonna lose 4 or 5 games, I just think it makes our odds at the SEC Championship that much greater... 10-2 would be something to shoot for in my opinion in that situation. Hope I'm wrong FWIW but I'm just expressing my concerns. I kind of thought that was the point of an LSU sports message board. I guess we should all just blindly believe that Hatch will perform just as well as Mauck and Flynn
Posted on 8/28/08 at 8:06 pm to ChewyDante
I think he will...
Posted on 8/28/08 at 8:07 pm to ChewyDante
in fact its not out of the question that we could be better a QB...just saying, its possible.
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