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re: Politics and Faith

Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:55 am to
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:55 am to
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So no free will.


Your understanding of free will in this scenario is predicated upon a God that operates on the same chronological timeline that we do and has the same perception of time that we have.

God transcends time. God knows what will happen, not because we don't have free will, but because he exists in the past, present, and future.

This, of course, is metaphysical speculation. But not at all implausible for anyone who believes in an omnipotent and omnipresent God.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:56 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:28 am to
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But not at all implausible for anyone who believes in an omnipotent and omnipresent God.


Nothing is impossible once you claim the metaphysical, but that does not in and of itself make a given claim plausible.

And you’re still left with the problem of a god who knew the failures and suffering of his creation prior to its existence and decided to proceed anyway. Carried to its logical end, we’re left with the inescapable conclusion that anyone who ends up in hell is there because of god. He created certain people knowing they would suffer eternally in hell, which is clearly a fate worse than never existing at all.

Now, such a god COULD exist. That doesn’t mean it’s a likely or desirable reality, and it’s certainly a reality which we have no evifence for.
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