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re: Bucks and Magic are boycotting tonight's game UPDATE All games postponed
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:06 pm to Bronc
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:06 pm to Bronc
quote:With this, you may as well just come out and say you don't even want to try to discuss this rationally. It's not irrational in the least to think this was self defense.
You might be able to get some warped jury or some exceptional lawyer to make some absurd case that his client is such a pussy that he felt, despite having a gun, that this skinny kid lunging at him unarmed was gonna punch him to death and he had no other capable avenue before resorting to lethal force, but it’s stretching it by quite a lot.
quote:Whoa, you know this how? Funny how earlier you sarcastically stated one of my points was a conservative talking points and how you're passing shite off as fact that you absolutely do not know if it is fact. For every report that he was the aggressor, there are reports that he was not, you're choosing to believe one side because you're not even remotely trying to view this through an unbiased lens.
harm.Complicated further if Kyle was the initial antagonist.
quote:What has been proven with regards to Kyle provoking others to attack him?
A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack
I saw a video of rioters trying to push a burning garbage into a gas station and Kyle extinguishing that fire, and making the mob angry with him. Is that what you're saying is provoking? If not, then what was?
quote:Like I said, you're showing here that you already know the charges are BS, so you're making preemptive excuses as to why he'll get off when the reality is, he'll probably get off because this wasn't 1st degree murder.
Still none of that changes the points made yesterday, or the larger issue of the disproportionate way the police uphold the law based on color of skin and prejudice in the community, and the handling of Kyle brings to bear I clear and concisely that systemic failure that are continuing to gloss over to prop up your boy the militia racist
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:27 pm to shel311
Well of course putting out a fire these rioters started is cause to make them angry and provoke a fight. I mean, a man was justifiably shot by police, people should be able to riot nd burn property peacefully without fear of being stopped.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:53 pm to shel311
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With this, you may as well just come out and say you don't even want to try to discuss this rationally. It's not irrational in the least to think this was self defense.
Feel free to demonstrate to me where Kyle will be able to clearly establish imminent mortal danger from an unarmed plastic bag thrower. Again, this is not stand your ground territory, the threshold for self defense is much higher.
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Whoa, you know this how? Funny how earlier you sarcastically stated one of my points was a conservative talking points and how you're passing shite off as fact that you absolutely do not know if it is fact. For every report that he was the aggressor, there are reports that he was not, you're choosing to believe one side because you're not even remotely trying to view this through an unbiased lens.
Read those words again. IF Kyle was the initial antagonist, which loose reports suggest may be the case, than what you have is a situation where Kyle was threatening people with lethal force and people attempted to intervene and disarm him(keeping in mind interviews from earlier that night have him and people with him explicitly saying they would and were threatening perceived lawbreakers with lethal force until police arrive, for which they have no authority to do so, as the sheriff explicitly refused to deputize these people). To which he would become the aggressor and a plastic bag would not in anyway become a justification to murder someone after being the instigator(see the law section I pasted for you and you ignored). And if he murdered someone in that context, he is also now an active shooter. And self defense really falls apart then.
A lot is going to come down to what prompted the chase, what instigating factors were at play, and from everything you have shown me, and the letter of Wisconsin law, it seems very hard for Kyle to claim self defense during the first murder.
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Like I said, you're showing here that you already know the charges are BS, so you're making preemptive excuses as to why he'll get off when the reality is, he'll probably get off because this wasn't 1st degree murder.
No, it just seems you can’t engage on the merits of a conversation so you are reaching for ad hominems and straw men.
Larger point doesn’t go away because of it, the situation exists because the Kenosha police department failed to apply justice equitably in their community. Had they done so Kyle would have been told to go home for breaking curfew, potentially charged with a misdemeanor for illegal firearm brandishing as a minor, his life wouldn’t be upside down facing murder charges, and three people would still be alive. Racist policing affects more than just black people. Would be better if some of you so blinded by your tribalism could see it.
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