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re: Bucks and Magic are boycotting tonight's game UPDATE All games postponed

Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:46 pm to
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Yep that's what i said. Be dominated by corporate overlords.
You got some issues man.
I do'nt want the NBA to silence them. I want them to play basketball. If my employer told me to not talk about politics on the job, then i wouldn't. If i didn't like it, i'd get a new job. Who am i to tell a private business what to do? There are so many options for everything in this country. It's what makes this country great. We don't all have to be exactly alike. It's a huge country that's set up perfectly to allow different regions, states, and cities to be their own. People that want to change things b/c they don't agree with what these people are doing are annoying and stupid. Keep Austin weird. keep Talladega redneck. If you like it, go there, if you don't, shut the frick up and let them be them.


Lot of silly exceptionalism in here, but if the larger part about freedom of speech was all this was, there wouldn’t be much contention. But your initial posts reeked of venerating corporate dominance and resentment toward black people using their platform and unique leverage in subversion of that dynamic. With a sense of entitlement that your view of things(sports devoid of politics, even though that has never been the case) is some divine right that makes any deviation morally invalid.

NBA players, unique to pretty much every profession in this country, actually have some damn strong labor rights. Something that has not only eroded in this country and contributed to the enormous gaps in wealth we see, but has been absorbed by many as a divine societal good to be held up as a virtue. In that context, NBA players that actually have leverage as a labor force, and their platforms, have the unique ability to leverage their collective power to push societal and systemic change. Frankly, I don’t think they do enough, but to call it silly when it continues to yield results is just factually incorrect, and, IMO, speaks to the toxic rot in the way some deify capital side dominance on their lives.

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I didn't literally laugh at their cause. I laughed at how stupid their decision to make the specific stand of boycotting their game to somehow support their cause was, and how they were blind to how this affected not only their employer, but themselves financially. If i was such a bigot racist like you think i am, i wouldn't have watched all 8 games in the bubble, and i wouldn't have watched Luka's awesome game 4, or Mitchell and Murray put up 50+ each in a great dual. I have had multiple people tell me to turn that shite off b/c they see Black Lives Matter on the court. I don't even see it, b/c i'm watching the basketball game.


I don’’t think any of them are blind to how it affects things financially, in fact, I would argue they are so in tune many of them will gladly choose money over the causes they claim to hold dear. While others are very clear they are willing to walk away to force larger points and hopefully jumpstart change. In this case, just threatening and boycotting one game has resulted in the NBA, in it’s entirety, logistically and financially repurposing their venues to create additional polling stations and help Americans vote. Call it what you want, but I’d call it effective. More than words on a jersey have been at least.

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Walking out on your employer, who has been wonderful for you and stood behind you, is the wrong way.


Striking, has, in fact, historically, been one of the most powerful ways progress has been made in this country.

Lots of employees right now have been nothing but great to their employers, yet millions were told to take cuts so they could reassure their stockholders and CEO’s keep their money flowing by cutting one of the most readily available and reducible costs in a downturn, which is payroll, have had their hours or pay permanently reduced, or are being let go without severance or notice. Lots of employers leverage their capital and power to lobby for things not directly tied to their business but for which they care about throughout larger society, often using their business as a resource to achieve it.

I would guess you would call that the reality of business, and I would agree, and also argue, we as a society determine the rules we are governed by, and in that same vein, labor, where they have the power, have every right to do the same. And if you find one morally defensible and not the other, perhaps it’s time to rethink some of your first principles.

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Saying you want to be able to put social justice crap on your jersey, is the right way. Peacefully protesting on streets you've been permitted to protest on, is the right way.


And when that doesn’t work? When those that have the power don’t listen, what next?
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
26064 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:52 pm to
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And when that doesn’t work? When those that have the power don’t listen, what next?



Don't care. It's not my problem, and I am not part of the problem they think they have, b/c like the vast majority of americans, i'm not a racist.
If you don't want to play basketball, then don't. We'll find someone else to play.
Striking does not work today. It's not 1960 anymore. There's plenty of people out there that will do your job if you don't want to. If they don't like what the owners of the NBA are doing, then go start your own league. Quit trying to make everyone conform to you. I'm sick and tired of that. Quit telling other people what to do with their business and their money. Start your own god damn business and run it however the hell you want, or go find a new job for an employer you like.


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