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re: Should we be rooting for pacers to get swept??

Posted on 8/25/20 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 8/25/20 at 8:57 pm to
Yes it is an outlandish claim. Turner is what we hope Hayes turns out to be. Right now Hayes has shown no development whatsoever even with the amount of minutes he received.

It could be the case that he turns out to be as good or better than Turner, but I would put that chance at about 30%.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 8/25/20 at 9:42 pm to
I have much higher expectations from Hayes on the offensive end. I feel pretty good about his ability to anchor the Pelicans defense in a couple of years. He’s has better verticality, foot speed, lateral speed, and change of direction. His explosiveness will pop much more once he knows what he’s doing on the court.

Hayes is already a better roll man, finisher, and draws foul at a high rate.

Hayes has also shown good passing instincts and potential to develop a 3 point shot.

Say what you want about Hayes but he pops on tape. Once he puts it together, he’s going to be a monster.

Turner was pretty bad during his rookie year as well and it took him 2 years to develop into a credible deep threat. Even then he has not improved very much over the course of his career. Now he’s pretty damn good as he is but I don't see him adding much more to his game. His offensive upside is limited based on his mirror image production over the course of his career. This is the only year where the volume of his 3 point shot had an uptick and his percentages fell. He will never make a Jaren Jackson type of leap as a deep threat.

Hayes may be all potential but I’m willing to wait for him because when he pops, it’s amazing to watch.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/26/20 at 8:09 am to
quote:

Yes it is an outlandish claim. Turner is what we hope Hayes turns out to be. Right now Hayes has shown no development whatsoever even with the amount of minutes he received.

It could be the case that he turns out to be as good or better than Turner, but I would put that chance at about 30%.


I would put it at something like 70%. Soggymoss, you are smarter than this. Hayes is still learning to play basketball. He doesn't need to develop a 3-pt shot to be as good as Turner. All he needs to do is add 15 pounds, improve his FT percentage, learn to box on to get DREBS, and learn how and when to rotate defensively.

Y'all thought that Hayes was a poor rebounder this year? Well then, you were right. But he was still a better rebounder than Myles Turner.

At what is Myles Turner elite? I can't find anything. But Jaxson already has elite athleticism and hands for a big man. He has tremendous roll gravity and could eventually end up as the best roll man in the league.

Hayes already has a much higher ORTG than Turner. And why is Hayes so much worse on defense? Because, as we all know, he needs to gain weight and learn defensive positioning, which we should expect him to do.

Trading a player with potential to be elite for a "good" player who doesn't do anything special is truly Dempsian. Do any of you really think that Turner is the missing piece for us to win a title? If not, why would we trade away someone who could end up being that piece?
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