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Claudia literally says, "She (Eva) uses the loophole to send her younger self off in one direction or another, in order to preserve the cycle. And I used it to send myself in another direction, too: to be here today."

The confusion comes from the use of the word ‘loophole.’ There are actually two loopholes that exist: 1) the loophole created by the 2 Apocalypses; and 2) the loophole of the point in time when the Origin World split in two. I am glad we clarified the two distinct sets of loopholes. Good catch, about the reference to the other loophole. When I made my previous comment I was referencing the other loophole that Jonas and Mirror Martha used.

Now as to you question about how Hannah got back to 1911?

You make a good point but I would say yes Martha used the Mirror World orb to do so, which explains why Adam killed her because she was stuck there with them.

As far as how Helge get laid?
As a Doppler... He was rich... but in Jonas world he was mangled as a child but in the Mirror world he was mangled as an adult. As a child it was normalized as a part of who he was, not to mention marriages in wealthy circles are practically arranged but in Dark they are often orchestrated.

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Posted by TeddyPadillac

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:57 am to rebeloke

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As far as how Helge get laid?
As a Doppler..

Helge wasn't a Doppler. Yeah he grew up Doppler, but he wasn't, as Greta said she didn't think that was Bernd's son.
Claudia never married, and Bernd was married to Greta, yet Regina came from Bernd and Claudia.

I think it's just an assumption that Helge is Peter's biological father. Odd that Bernd had photo's of Helge in his office, but not his grandson Peter.

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Posted by LSUJuice

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:32 am to rebeloke

As far as Helge goes, I read a theory that Bernd probably just got him a prostitute at some point.

I think my main confusion still lies with Claudia, and when she actually broke from the cycle. Was she planting breadcrumbs for each iteration of herself to find and build on? She says to jonas that you can change the little things. But if that's the case, I really would have liked to have seen it. It would have been compelling to see the little traces she left.

This link disagrees though, and theorizes that she never did anything different. It's a deep dive, so fair warning:

Reddit deep dive and questions answered

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By taking advantage of the moment when time stops, Claudia creates her own parallel reality. She has a conversation with Adam and says that it is happening for the first time, and we can't really blame her for thinking so because from her perspective that's true. But remember, this conversation with Adam is both happening AND not happening. In her "new" reality, she enlightens Adam on how Jonas and Martha can finally untie the knot. But in her other reality, she never has this conversation at all.

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We don't get to see the end of this reality, but Eva tells us that Adam kills her and her body is found by her younger self. From here we can presume the rest of the events of the loop play out and restart as usual. What we DO see, however, is Claudia's new parallel reality play out. Adam teaches Jonas about the loophole, Jonas saves alt-Martha, they travel to the origin world. Just like when alt-Martha saved Jonas AND didn't save Jonas, Claudia had her conversation with Adam AND didn't have her conversation with Adam. Once again, both of these things happen and from a perspective of nonlinear time, have always happened. There is now a reality where the loop cycles on like usual, AND there is a reality where the loop is interrupted by Jonas and Martha's journey to the origin world. With me so far?

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