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I personally don't think it makes sense to say "You gave me existence, but it was relatively short and relatively painful, therefore you are bad", when the alternative is non-existence.

lots of people who commit suicide probably felt different.

non existence was not even a choice we were given. we were forced into this world with only one way out or you burn in hell FOR ALL ETERNITY. that cant be justified by an all loving creator. sounds like a selfish little kid that is forcing you to play by his rules or he will just take the ball home and never come back again.

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Posted by uway

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Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:04 pm to lsaltee

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we were forced into this world with only one way out or you burn in hell FOR ALL ETERNITY

Who says?

Even if that is true, who really understands the entirety of that "one way out"?

Certainly not the type of people whose message and mode of delivery drive people AWAY from that one way.

We were told by Jesus, we believe, that he is the way, the truth, and the life. Those of us who believe in him, then, find comfort in that. But does it mean those that don't currently believe in him and who seem destined by circumstances never to believe in him are going to be damned for their disbelief?

I do believe in hell, but I believe that people knowingly choose to go there. Why would anyone choose that? It's a question worth considering. It's helpful to think about the meaning of the word "choice". If one doesn't understand the options, can he be considered to be making a choice?

Can an abused and perpetually depressed young person who has no vision of the good and chooses suicide be said to be CHOOSING eternal damnation? If so, I don't understand it, and it doesn't comport with my experience of what I believe is God.

This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 1:09 pm

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Posted by bfniii

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Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:41 pm to lsaltee

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we were forced into this world with only one way out or you burn in hell FOR ALL ETERNITY

for the one millionth time, how is that wrong? god loves you so much he gives you every chance in the world to accept him. he created you specifically to have a relationship with him. he gave you every tool you need for that. he even let you know in advance what the consequence is for rejecting him. then he gives you freewill to make your own choice. anything more than that would be nonsensical and you would be mad at god for doing it differently

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