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There's a distinction between the revealed will of God and the secret will of God known as His divine decree. God has revealed His desires and His commands to us through special revelation (the Bible), yet God's eternal plan and decree is something that we don't know all about. We don't know why He has determined that one person live to 80 while another die in the womb. We don't know why He saves one house yet not another in a storm. We don't know why He justifies one member of a household by saving faith in His son and not another. Likewise we don't know His specific purpose(s) in allowing the evil of abortion to take place.

So we dont know Gods true plan yet we are just supposed to believe he has the best intentions for us in our next life? The same god that allows suffering now PROMISES you he wont allow it next time. all you have to do is worship him! He promises!

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What we do know is that God is holy

How do you know that? because so far its worship me or else.

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We know that all things are done ultimately for His glory.

oh well there you go. His glory... why does he need such great glory? Why does he need us to glorify him? can hhe not glorify himself enough?

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God allows sin to exist but not without judging it. He will judge all sin, either in the sinner or in Christ's atoning work on the cross through faith in that sacrifice. No one is saved apart from Christ, even unborn children. If God so chooses to save a child murdered through abortion, it is His right to do so, and He would do so by imparting saving grace to the child through His Spirit according to His plan of election.

So he is picking winners and losers and the losers cant complain or question his authority?
again sounds like a game i dont want to play.

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Posted by FooManChoo

Member since Dec 2012

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Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:57 pm to lsaltee

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So we dont know Gods true plan yet we are just supposed to believe he has the best intentions for us in our next life? The same god that allows suffering now PROMISES you he wont allow it next time. all you have to do is worship him! He promises!

1) God cannot lie, and 2) Do we have any other choice? Rejection of God's promises is how we fell in to sin in the first place.

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How do you know that? because so far its worship me or else.

God is the highest good there is and the very definition of perfection. Why would we not worship God? He created us to worship Him; that's our very purpose. An object we create for a purpose that doesn't fulfill that purpose is usually discarded as being trash. Why can't God destroy those who don't do what we were created to do?

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oh well there you go. His glory... why does he need such great glory? Why does he need us to glorify him? can hhe not glorify himself enough?

He doesn't need anything, even our glory. He created us to worship and glorify Him because He wanted to, not because He had to. And He should be glorified because there is no one and nothing higher than Himself.

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So he is picking winners and losers and the losers cant complain or question his authority?
again sounds like a game i dont want to play.

Everyone is a loser by default. He makes losers into winners by His sovereign choice in election. He doesn't have to as He owes no one anything, yet He chooses to save some out of mercy.

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Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:32 pm to lsaltee

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So we dont know Gods true plan

what do you mean by "true plan?" we know tons of things. we don't know everything. god has revealed plenty to us.

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we are just supposed to believe he has the best intentions for us in our next life?

how could you believe any different? the only thing you could believe is that god doesn't exist. if god exists, then by definition he has our best interests in mind.

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The same god that allows suffering now PROMISES you he wont allow it next time. all you have to do is worship him!

where's the problem?

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why does he need such great glory? Why does he need us to glorify him? can hhe not glorify himself enough?

glory is a religious term for compatibility. he is incompatible with unrighteousness or sin or immorality. it's like trying to load windows software on an apple o.s. us glorifying him is us coming into alignment with his purposes/revelation/will. living for him instead of for the world. great question btw.