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re: #1 problem with this team IMO

Posted on 3/7/20 at 10:04 am to
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 10:04 am to
Corndeaux, you become a chore to talk to because you refuse to engage honestly with anyone you find disagreements with.

You didn’t grasp the concept of synergy and now you are going into chapter long pathetically concocted rebuttals to unrelated conversations using out-of-context snippets to personally attack me. Combining that with absurd straw men to make ridiculous points.

Our offense often being better than the sum of our parts in certain areas is because we do a good to great job spreading the ball around and then when the players that are doing well are identified, we tend to utilize them, when they aren’t, we go elsewhere. Sometimes to a fault according to some. It’s not absolute, but anyone watching this team can see we aren’t just mindlessly asking guys to jack the same shots no matter what. There is a reason Jrue has only taken more than 6 threes when he isn’t shooting well like once or twice this season, all other times it is because he is hitting. You as a team try and feed what is working game to game and if you have the right pieces and the right flow, your sum becomes greater together than the individual parts. Not that difficult a concept. Nowhere did I say though that is some absolute concept and we always execute that like some robotic entity. Like of fricking course you still have times where you rely on guys that have had off-nights coming through in big moments because they have historically proven themselves. Of course some players are still going to force the issue or be given longer leashes than others.

What I said about Gentry is that I suspect part of why we struggle out the gate season after season barring few exceptions, in addition to injuries, is that Gentry pushes unrealistic expectations too fast, he demands a near perfect brand of basketball from imperfect players/situations while not being the most structured coach and I think it is a contributing factor. whereas better coaches do a better job personalizing and crafting their systems to the development level and strengths and weaknesses of their team. I’d add that on top of that, he often does so with imperfect rotations. For instance, we really started to turn it around when we really embraced the idea of having 3-4 shooters and 3 ball movers on the court at almost all times. Before that we were trying to o execute the way we play now using at times, lineups and rotations that just didnt lend itself well.

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The Pels have a lot of average to good 3pt shooters with one elite guy (Redick) and one guy getting there (Ingram). They have a system that generates good looks


So you have a team of one elite shooter off the bench, and then a bunch of average to good shooters, so how does that turn into an elite near league-leading unit? Synergy dumbass. A system that generates looks, by maximizing rotations and ball movement, and not just telling everyone to chuck it like you think. If everyone just came out and chucked mindlessly all game, we would be an average to possibly slightly below average shooting team. But we do as good as anyone optimizing all aspects of offensive strategy to generate that sort of elite synergy.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 10:13 am
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 3/7/20 at 10:39 am to
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There is a reason Jrue has only taken more than 6 threes when he isn’t shooting well like once or twice this season, all other times it is because he is hitting.


He has 15 games with more than 6 3s. Depending on where you draw the line on hitting them, 5 of those were poor performance < 34%

13 games with 6 3PA. 6 of those < 34%.

13 games at 5 3PA. 6g < 34%

11 games 4 or less 3PA. 10 of those games < 34%.

Is there something there? Maybe. Maybe not. In 5 of those 4 or less 3PA, if he hits his next one it, then he is a good shooter. Sample size.

If anything, breaking down his 3PA based on performance suggests he should always shoot > 6 3s. I doubt anyone wants to go that route because he is a career 35% 3P shooter

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have a team of one elite shooter off the bench, and then a bunch of average to good shooters, so how does that turn into an elite near league-leading unit


Because they have more good shooters than most of the league?

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But we do as good as anyone optimizing all aspects of offensive strategy to generate that sort of elite synergy.


Pels are 14th in generating wide open 3s, according to NBA.com. Which is good, but hardly accounts for limiting player "streakiness" on a night to night basis. It's not a buffet of wide open 3s. They do convert them at the 3rd best rate.

If you have more a detailed data to share on who takes those 3s night to night, please do so

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not just telling everyone to chuck it like you think.


"Green light" does not mean chuck. Fascinating that you made that leap.



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become a chore to talk to because you refuse to engage honestly with anyone you find disagreements with.


frick off with that noise. You can't have it both ways. You want to condescend when people push you to explain, you'll get it right back.

You want to actually dig in and discuss basketball. Great when people ask questions, answer them.
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