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Central Incorporation vs. St George (EBR)
Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:41 pm
What is the difference between the two in how each city is/would be funded?
Why wasn’t Central’s incorporation and exit from the EBR’s school system as contested?
Why wasn’t Central’s incorporation and exit from the EBR’s school system as contested?
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 7:43 pm
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Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:44 pm to The People
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Why wasn’t Central’s incorporation and exit from the EBR’s school system as contested?
Central didn’t pay 20% of the BRPD budget.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:45 pm to The People
quote:what's the spread
Central Incorporation vs. St George
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:20 pm to The People
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What is the difference between the two in how each city is/would be funded?
Local governments in Louisiana are largely funded by sales taxes. Central is not a hub for shopping centers so it wasn't a big deal for the city-parish. Also, Central had plans to continue using a lot of city-parish services and stated that they would keep using EBRSO instead of forming their own police department. (that last part has evolved a little)
This has nothing to do with schools. Central formed schools while under a long-running desegregation order that made incorporation necessary. That deseg order was lifted 10+ years ago.
Central's ISD was contested but EBR was mostly sympathetic to them because they understood how odd it was that kids in Central were being bussed elsewhere while kids from elsewhere were bussed into Central. That's not really the case with Woodlawn. The remaining deseg in the SG area is voluntary anmostly due kids in the area going to magnet and private schools, along with the fact that there's only one high school in the area.
The two efforts are really nothing alike. Central was getting screwed and the incorporation fixed that. The SG area is not currently getting screwed (they had tons of infrastructure projects, and no more deseg) and virtually nothing will change with incorporation as far as the average person goes. The SG ISD will not happen in the next 10 years and when it does the boundaries will look nothing like the SG city boundaries.
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:32 pm to BeepNode
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The SG area is not currently getting screwed
The frick they aren’t! They pay 20 fricking percent of the BRPD budget and receive JACK frickING shite for it.
That’s just ONE example.
Eat shite, me comier, you ugly arse slut.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:29 pm to beerJeep
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They pay 20 fricking percent of the BRPD budget and receive JACK frickING shite for it.
That's kind of an overly simplified take, imo. How much will it help SG"s QOL if BRDP patrolled their area? I doubt they would even notice. Taxes would barely drop at all if you removed it.
That's assuming that citizens of BR are not subsidizing EBRSO protection in SG.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:33 pm to BeepNode
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That's kind of an overly simplified take, imo. How much will it help SG"s QOL if BRDP patrolled their area?
No it isn’t. It’s right out of brooms mouth. St George incorporating would lead to a direct loss of 20% of the brpd budget. That’s right out of the horses mouth.
Brpd is understaffed as it is, they don’t have the men to patrol the area that pays 1/5th of their budget, even if they were FORCED to.
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That's assuming that citizens of BR are not subsidizing EBRSO protection in SG.
that’s cute. Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:46 pm to beerJeep
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No it isn’t. It’s right out of brooms mouth. St George incorporating would lead to a direct loss of 20% of the brpd budget.
So what? If I had to guess, all that means is that some of the BRPD is funded out of a general fund account. Again, how will the QOL in St. George improve when BRPD loses some funding? How much lower will taxes in SG get? Will it be lower?
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That's assuming that citizens of BR are not subsidizing EBRSO protection in SG.
that’s cute.
??
Everyone in the parish pays EBRSO taxes. It pays for jails, courthouse constables, etc but it also pays for patrols that the city of BR doesn't benefit from. It would be easy for them to say that they are subsidizing EBRSO patrols in SG, so it evens out.
In fact, that's exactly what the BR Business Report says:LINK
Would you feel better if BR dissolved the BRPD and simply relied on the EBRSO from here out? The idea of consolidating the two police forces has been floated before.
I don't know why the BRPD/EBRSO arrangement is worthy of such sky screaming.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:53 pm to BeepNode
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So what?
So what? Wtf do you mean so what? They pay for something and receive NOTHING for it. That’s getting fricked over, my dude.
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If I had to guess, all that means is that some of the BRPD is funded out of a general fund account
Which is horse shite. The CITY pays for the CITY police. Not the surrounding area that doesn’t receive shite from the city police.
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. Again, how will the QOL in St. George improve when BRPD loses some funding?
Baton Rouge city police IS NOT ST GEORGES PROBLEM.
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How much lower will taxes in SG get? Will it be lower?
taxes will always go up. Get the frick out with that shite. When was the last 5 year stretch taxes didn’t go up in the city of Baton Rouge? quote:
Everyone in the parish pays EBRSO taxes. It pays for jails, courthouse constables, etc but it also pays for patrols that the city of BR doesn't benefit from. It would be easy for them to say that they are subsidizing EBRSO patrols in SG, so it evens out.
It’s cute that you think a city that can’t pay for its own city police force is subsidizing the sheriffs office.
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Would you feel better if BR dissolved the BRPD and simply relied on the EBRSO from here out? The idea of consolidating the two police forces has been floated before.
Why would they dissolve brpd? How about the city pay for its own mother fricking police force? Raise taxes on the deadbeats in NBR who cause the strain on brpd.
Oh.
Wait.
they don’t pay taxes, which is why the city has to rob the surrounding area to pay its fricking bills.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:05 pm to beerJeep
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How about the city pay for its own mother fricking police force?
More sky screaming.
Listen.
Your beloved city of St. George has NO PLANS TO PAY FOR ITS OWN frickING POLICE FORCE . It has stated publicly that it intends to continue using the EBRSO for primary police protection.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but the cognitive dissonance is astonishing.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:12 pm to BeepNode
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More sky screaming.
Nope. Just telling facts, baw.
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Your beloved city of St. George has NO PLANS TO PAY FOR ITS OWN frickING POLICE FORCE . It has stated publicly that it intends to continue using the EBRSO for primary police protection.
I live in the city of Baton Rouge, baw
And they are also paying 4 million a year for more officers for patrol, thus strengthening the police force for the entire area that uses the sheriffs office.
I’m just cock slapping you at this point.
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don't really have a dog in this fight, but the cognitive dissonance is astonishing.
You’re out of your league.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:24 pm to beerJeep
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And they are also paying 4 million a year for more officers for patrol
Again, you don't hold both sides to the same standard. Citizens in BR pay dedicated taxes to fund the BRPD so you could say the same thing about that arrangement. In your mind it's okay to have the citizens of BR subsidize EBRSO patrols elsewhere but is a sky screaming event when the citizens of SG subsidize BRPD patrols in BR. It's semantics. Just merge the two police departments if you can't wrap your head around it.
I have no doubt that SG pays more taxes than it gets back. That's true of any relatively affluent area with lots of shopping centers. I live in Central and do some of my shopping in the SG area but I doubt anyone in SG shops in Central.
I just don't think it's quite as cut-and-dry as some (like yourself) make it out to be.
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I’m just cock slapping you at this point.
No, you're saying dumb things that don't hold water once you put any sort of scrutiny on them. You are contradicting yourself left and right and moving goal posts each time you're called out. Literally slapping your cock against people would be a step up from whatever it is that you think you're doing right now.
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:33 pm to The People
One was incorporated due to racial issues, the other wasn’t.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:37 pm to BeepNode
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Again, you don't hold both sides to the same standard.
Sure I do.
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Just merge the two police departments if you can't wrap your head around it.
Nah. I’m cool with Baton Rouge paying for their own shite and not robbing the surrounding area to pay for their city police.
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You are contradicting yourself left and right and moving goal posts each time you're called out.
Not at all. You sad little confused kid.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:38 pm to Damone
Did you commit voter fraud for the runoff like you did to vote against st George??
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:40 pm to beerJeep
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I’m cool with Baton Rouge paying for their own shite and not robbing the surrounding area to pay for their city police.
Yet, you wan't St. George to do the same thing by relying on EBRSO instead of paying for all of their own police protection. My goodness. What an idiot.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 11:42 pm to BeepNode
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Yet, you wan't St. George to do the same thing by relying on EBRSO instead of paying for all of their own police protection. My goodness. What an idiot.
They’re paying 4 million extra a year for added patrols
how the frick are they robbing? They would be paying the sheriffs MORE than they do now and would be adding more cops which benefits the outside areas. If they want to form their own city police I’m absolutely okay with that too. As long as they pay for it.
But, they don’t need one because, surprise surprise! St George isn’t a crime ridden shite hole.
I feel bad for your parents. They must be embarrassed to have raised you.
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:09 am to The People
St. George needs to start a municipal militia and start drilling monthly.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 12:16 am to beerJeep
You are remarkably dense. The city of BR pays extra for its own police patrol as well. Just not that much. You are sky screaming about a $15m imbalance which is less than 2% of the EBR budget. It's just not going to make a big difference.
Compare that to what Central was going through before incorporation. It's not even close.
Dumbasses like yourself are not going to be happy until taxes are higher for everyone. Keep bitching about police funding and watch Central and SG have to fund 100% of their own police protection which will lead to increased taxes. Somehow EBRSO taxes will not be lowered to offset.
The BR metro area will NEVER be Austin or Dallas. St. George will never be Sandy Springs. Corporations are not going to come in droves to setup their white collar operations just because you solved the problem of police financing gimmicks. It's 100% delusional to believe otherwise.
Sandy Springs would be nothing without Atlanta being a major regional hub with a shitload of university graduates from which to draw from.
Compare that to what Central was going through before incorporation. It's not even close.
Dumbasses like yourself are not going to be happy until taxes are higher for everyone. Keep bitching about police funding and watch Central and SG have to fund 100% of their own police protection which will lead to increased taxes. Somehow EBRSO taxes will not be lowered to offset.
The BR metro area will NEVER be Austin or Dallas. St. George will never be Sandy Springs. Corporations are not going to come in droves to setup their white collar operations just because you solved the problem of police financing gimmicks. It's 100% delusional to believe otherwise.
Sandy Springs would be nothing without Atlanta being a major regional hub with a shitload of university graduates from which to draw from.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 3:52 am to BeepNode
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Yet, you wan't St. George to do the same thing by relying on EBRSO instead of paying for all of their own police protection
St. George is already paying for EBRSO for police protection on top of what it is paying for BRPD.
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