this is how the discussion has been reframed. first, there are only two "genders" and they match a person's biological sex. sometimes a person might have a epigenetic proclivity towards an alternative but, that does not have to be acted upon. everything else is an unnecessary social construct and psychological coping mechanism. culture has fostered the idea that gender can be "fluid." but "gender" is not "cultural."

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It's subjective.

completely wrong. this has been confirmed by science. it is static.

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It certainly can.

again, completely wrong. you are referring to the epigenetic traits a person has and yes, they can fluctuate. gender/sex does not.

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a man could wear a dress one day, and be feminine, and wear what we would generally agree to be masculine clothing the next day, and be masculine.

you are describing behavior, not something that is biologically real. you are trying to normalize it and make it seem like it's just how a person is. you aren't separating the epigenetic influence from the unhealthy choices a person is making. society has inculcated this to you and you have bought into it as if it is normative. the behavior you are describing is neither socially necessary nor biologically normal.

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it's also linked to the culture not accepting that individual for however the hell they want to appear and act.

this is because for some reason, the culture has decided to ignore the science of the matter and nurture people's delusions.

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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas

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Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:07 am to bfniii

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Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not.

what you are describing is a social construct, not a biological fact.

No, what I'm doing is drawing the distinction between sex and gender, one being a biological fact, the other a social construct. What we think of as feminine in the US may not be considered feminine in another culture - sex being irrelevant in this case. Think of wearing a skirt. Generally, in our culture this is seen as feminine, in Scotland, it is not.

What we think of as female in the US is female (except in rare biological cases) in every other culture - gender being irrelevant in this case. Think of chromosomes. Generally, in our culture, having two x chromosomes is seen as being female, in Scotland, it is also seen as female.

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there are only two "genders" and they match a person's biological sex.

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again, completely wrong. you are referring to the epigenetic traits a person has and yes, they can fluctuate. gender/sex does not.

You're conflating gender and sex. They are not the same thing.

Also, there are many cultures where three genders are recognized: masculine, feminine, and neuter. Think of language.

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a man could wear a dress one day, and be feminine

you are describing behavior, not something that is biologically real.

That's exactly right, because there is no biological basis for gender, only for sex.

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the behavior you are describing is neither socially necessary nor biologically normal.

I agree with this. "Biologically normal" being a statistical analysis of social gender norms along sexual lines. These can diverge, however. While there's nothing biologically wrong with being a girly-man, and it may even be statistically outside of a "normal" range, it is often judged negatively by a culture.

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people's delusions.

A male appearing to be feminine isn't delusional. A male mutilating his genitalia, and ingesting synthetic hormones, in an attempt to transform into a woman, IS delusional.

"Help me, I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body!"

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